"RESTORED" Wagner - how should we feel about this as collectors?

[mrvster]

card is not authentic when it has been altered this much......if this is where the hobby is going, I don't like it one bit! card went way too much

full disclosure: I would take it if it was given to me

but........................

it's not an "original" card!!!.....a major restoration on cards, art, antiques, I get it, but not one cards.... it changes the original integrity of the card where extent of future restoration of cards will be blurred.....meaning soon you wont be able to tell where the original ends and the "new" "restored " pieces are added...

condition of the original will not matter anymore....if you have enough cash you can just make it gem mint!

who is too say what was "unrestored" and what is "original" if a card is restored, holdered, then cracked out???? soon we won't be able to tell...

all previous cards grades will be useless....

just "build up the soft corners", "touch up" or add more back on that broadleaf 460....

this is opening a major can of worms and I don't like it

[Touch'EmAll]

Could we get one true beater, cut it up into tiny bits, then “restore” each bit to now have, say, a dozen authentic cards?

[oldjudge]

In answer to the original question, I think we should feel happy for someone who got a card that he obviously really wanted. If it is not something that we would like (I really don't like the appearance of the card, but I am not against restoration) then we should not buy similar cards. However, we should always be happy for passionate collectors adding to their collections.

[benjulmag]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

In answer to the original question, I think we should feel happy for someone who got a card that he obviously really wanted. If it is not something that we would like (I really don't like the appearance of the card, but I am not against restoration) then we should not buy similar cards. However, we should always be happy for passionate collectors adding to their collections.

+1

To each his own, which is what collecting is all about.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by 100backstroke

Could we get one true beater, cut it up into tiny bits, then “restore” each bit to now have, say, a dozen authentic cards?

i think this gets to be cost prohibitive?

[mrvster]

not really! spring $400 k for a psa 1 .....the spend 20 k per card to add other T206 cardboard....."create" 12 cards " frankenwagners" sell 12 frankenwagners like the memory lane ...... be on easy street

cost:

$400,000.00 original + $20,000(restoration fee) (12)=

$640,000 K total cost

sell 12 "franken-wagners" @ =$420,000.00 (12)= $5,040,000.00

$5,040,000.00 revenue

$5,040,000.00 (revenue) - $640,000.00 (cost)= $4,400,000.00


4.2 million dollar profit from one original


DEFINITELY COST EFFECTIVE

[mrvster]

definitely happy for the guy who won it! he must be very wealthy to drop almost a half million on a "re creation"

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by mrvster

not really! spring $400 k for a psa 1 .....the spend 20 k per card to add other T206 cardboard....."create" 12 cards " frankenwagners" sell 12 frankenwagners like the memory lane ...... be on easy street

cost:

$400,000.00 original + $20,000(restoration fee) (12)=

$640,000 K total cost

sell 12 "franken-wagners" @ =$420,000.00 (12)= $5,040,000.00

$5,040,000.00 revenue

$5,040,000.00 (revenue) - $640,000.00 (cost)= $4,400,000.00


4.2 million dollar profit from one original


DEFINITELY COST EFFECTIVE

there you have it...a career for someone who wants one!!!!!!

[mrvster]

hahaha!!!

the t206 auto forger is probably working on this now!

Hell......topps should buy a wagner and make "piece of history cards"

put 1/32 of a wagner on each insert(like a bat card) sell $20,000 each!

32 cards X 20,000k per insert = $640,000

beater $250k- $400 k

make a quarter million dollar profit

[mrvster]

sale of this "creation " will definitely set an ugly precedent.......




cars, art, I get......maybe even coins stretching it!



but stamps, paper currency and especially sports cards HELL NO!

[rats60]

Originally Posted by mrvster

hahaha!!!

the t206 auto forger is probably working on this now!

Hell......topps should buy a wagner and make "piece of history cards"

put 1/32 of a wagner on each insert(like a bat card) sell $20,000 each!

32 cards X 20,000k per insert = $640,000

beater $250k- $400 k

make a quarter million dollar profit

But what if someone get the piece that wasn't part of the original Wagner, but part of the restoration? Will Topps designated that like they do game-used jersey piece vs. event-worn jersey piece?

[GasHouseGang]

Originally Posted by mrvster

hahaha!!!

the t206 auto forger is probably working on this now!

Hell......topps should buy a wagner and make "piece of history cards"

put 1/32 of a wagner on each insert(like a bat card) sell $20,000 each!

32 cards X 20,000k per insert = $640,000

beater $250k- $400 k

make a quarter million dollar profit

AND you'd be helping the market for all those that still own a real Wagner by reducing the quantity available. Win, win!

[C-mack]

Originally Posted by 100backstroke

Could we get one true beater, cut it up into tiny bits, then “restore” each bit to now have, say, a dozen authentic cards?

No it doesnt work that way , so much of the original has to be there ...