"RESTORED" Wagner - how should we feel about this as collectors?

[rats60]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

i'm aware of the restoration that was done on this wagner...my point being "restoration" is being more accepted in the hobby...imo.

I understand that. My question is how does the restoration price relate to the altered price or the "beater" price now? I always thought that it was much less. So is this sale a change in thinking or does it drive up the value of others?

[ullmandds]

Time will tell I suppose??

[Touch'EmAll]

Perhaps third party graders should have 2 separate designations - authentic, and authentic restored. Or is it already too late for that?

[mrvster]

card is not authentic when it has been altered this much......if this is where the hobby is going, I don't like it one bit! card went way too much

full disclosure: I would take it if it was given to me

but........................

it's not an "original" card!!!.....a major restoration on cards, art, antiques, I get it, but not one cards.... it changes the original integrity of the card where extent of future restoration of cards will be blurred.....meaning soon you wont be able to tell where the original ends and the "new" "restored " pieces are added...

condition of the original will not matter anymore....if you have enough cash you can just make it gem mint!

who is too say what was "unrestored" and what is "original" if a card is restored, holdered, then cracked out???? soon we won't be able to tell...

all previous cards grades will be useless....

just "build up the soft corners", "touch up" or add more back on that broadleaf 460....

this is opening a major can of worms and I don't like it

[Touch'EmAll]

Could we get one true beater, cut it up into tiny bits, then “restore” each bit to now have, say, a dozen authentic cards?

[oldjudge]

In answer to the original question, I think we should feel happy for someone who got a card that he obviously really wanted. If it is not something that we would like (I really don't like the appearance of the card, but I am not against restoration) then we should not buy similar cards. However, we should always be happy for passionate collectors adding to their collections.

[benjulmag]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

In answer to the original question, I think we should feel happy for someone who got a card that he obviously really wanted. If it is not something that we would like (I really don't like the appearance of the card, but I am not against restoration) then we should not buy similar cards. However, we should always be happy for passionate collectors adding to their collections.

+1

To each his own, which is what collecting is all about.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by 100backstroke

Could we get one true beater, cut it up into tiny bits, then “restore” each bit to now have, say, a dozen authentic cards?

i think this gets to be cost prohibitive?

[mrvster]

not really! spring $400 k for a psa 1 .....the spend 20 k per card to add other T206 cardboard....."create" 12 cards " frankenwagners" sell 12 frankenwagners like the memory lane ...... be on easy street

cost:

$400,000.00 original + $20,000(restoration fee) (12)=

$640,000 K total cost

sell 12 "franken-wagners" @ =$420,000.00 (12)= $5,040,000.00

$5,040,000.00 revenue

$5,040,000.00 (revenue) - $640,000.00 (cost)= $4,400,000.00


4.2 million dollar profit from one original


DEFINITELY COST EFFECTIVE

[C-mack]

Originally Posted by 100backstroke

Could we get one true beater, cut it up into tiny bits, then “restore” each bit to now have, say, a dozen authentic cards?

No it doesnt work that way , so much of the original has to be there ...