Not the only Hall of Fame getting Watered Down

[silvor]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

I'm a metalhead, and I don't understand how Def Leppard made it. I saw them open for Blackfoot.

Hysteria. That album was HUGE. I believe that tour they played 2 nights in pretty much every city.

[barrysloate]

I'm a cranky old-timer. Give me Jefferson Airplane or Buffalo Springfield and I'm a happy camper. Forget anything post-1970. I want the Sixties!!

[ejharrington]

The fact that KISS had to wait 20 years to get in proves what a joke the R&R HOF is. The only time I have ever been disappointed with Gene and Paul are when they accepted the nomination. I wanted them to give the R&R HOF the Johnny Rotten treatment.

[MVSNYC]

The Cure are awesome, and very deserving.

New Order & Depeche Mode should be there too.

The above, are all very prolific, and incredibly influential bands. All of which have been making albums for almost 40 years.


PS...

Whether you agree with Ice Cube or not...this was a pretty powerful statement...

"Rock & roll is not an instrument; rock & roll is not even a style of music. Rock & roll is a spirit. … It's been going since the blues, jazz, bebop, soul, R&B, rock & roll, heavy metal, punk rock and, yes, hip-hop. And what connects us all is that spirit. …Rock & roll is not conforming to the people who came before you, but creating your own path in music and in life."

-Ice Cube, during N.W.A.'s 2016 Rock Hall induction acceptance speech

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

The Cure are awesome, and very deserving.

New Order & Depeche Mode should be there too.

The above, are all very prolific, and incredibly influential bands. All of which have been making albums for almost 40 years.


PS...

Whether you agree with Ice Cube or not...this was a pretty powerful statement...

"Rock & roll is not an instrument; rock & roll is not even a style of music. Rock & roll is a spirit. … It's been going since the blues, jazz, bebop, soul, R&B, rock & roll, heavy metal, punk rock and, yes, hip-hop. And what connects us all is that spirit. …Rock & roll is not conforming to the people who came before you, but creating your own path in music and in life."

-Ice Cube, during N.W.A.'s 2016 Rock Hall induction acceptance speech

+1....don't forget The Smiths

[Leon]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

I'm a cranky old-timer. Give me Jefferson Airplane or Buffalo Springfield and I'm a happy camper. Forget anything post-1970. I want the Sixties!!

+1 to Buffalo Springfield. And I saw Jefferson Starship Introducing Grace Slick, at the Hollywood Bowl Amphitheater. That might have been the best concert I have ever seen next to REO Speedwagon in Anaheim in 1980. And Jethro Tull, what an artist!!

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by Leon

+1 to Buffalo Springfield. And I saw Jefferson Starship Introducing Grace Slick, at the Hollywood Bowl Amphitheater. That might have been the best concert I have ever seen next to REO Speedwagon in Anaheim in 1980. And Jethro Tull, what an artist!!

I'm more an Airplane fan than a Starship one, probably a reflection of our age difference.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

I'm more an Airplane fan than a Starship one, probably a reflection of our age difference.

But they "introduced" Grace and all of them gave an unforgettable performance. Of course it didn't hurt that I was in the right state of mind for White Rabbit .

[Snapolit1]

Problem with RNR HOF is there is no real definition of Rock and Roll. I have my definition and you have yours. I certainly wouldn't put someone like Janet Jackson in a million years in the RNR Hall of Fame. Or Michael Jackson for that matter. Soul, R&B, whatever but certainly not rock and roll.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Problem with RNR HOF is there is no real definition of Rock and Roll. I have my definition and you have yours. I certainly wouldn't put someone like Janet Jackson in a million years in the RNR Hall of Fame. Or Michael Jackson for that matter. Soul, R&B, whatever but certainly not rock and roll.

I agree with that a 100%! Madonna, Janet Jackson and many others are not R&R, imo.

Not that I disagree that they aren't deserving of some type of honor, its just that the R&R HOF isn't the place for them.

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by Leon

But they "introduced" Grace and all of them gave an unforgettable performance. Of course it didn't hurt that I was in the right state of mind for White Rabbit .

White Rabbit is all about that state of mind.

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

White Rabbit is all about that state of mind.

Indeed. That is the only possible way you can understand it.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by silvor

Hysteria. That album was HUGE. I believe that tour they played 2 nights in pretty much every city.

One big album does not a fall of fame career make.

Among those in the metal / hard rock world who should get in before Leppard are : Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Scorpions, Thin Lizzy, and Ronnie James Dio.

And Slayer. Proniounced Slaaayyyyaaahhhhh!!!!!!

And Devo.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

One big album does not a fall of fame career make.

Among those in the metal / hard rock world who should get in before Leppard are : Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Scorpions, Thin Lizzy, and Ronnie James Dio.

And Slayer. Proniounced Slaaayyyyaaahhhhh!!!!!!

And Devo.

Nice to see Thin Lizzy mentioned.

And what’s the point, if Devo isn’t even in!!!

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

One big album does not a fall of fame career make.

Among those in the metal / hard rock world who should get in before Leppard are : Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Scorpions, Thin Lizzy, and Ronnie James Dio.

And Slayer. Proniounced Slaaayyyyaaahhhhh!!!!!!

And Devo.

It's pronounced:

"SLAYER...SLAYER....SLAYER...SLAYER"


SLAYER RULES!!!!!!!

[oldjudge]

Hopefully, next year The Archies will get in:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h9nE2spOw_o

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Hopefully, next year The Archies will get in:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h9nE2spOw_o

I talked with Ron Dante (lead singing voice) in New Jersey in October. He also produced all of Barry Manilow's hits. He still does oldies shows and cruises.

'Sugar, Sugar' is on my personal top 500.

[the 'stache]

Yet after all this time, Toto is still not in the RNRHOF. That's a travesty. As a band, they've sold well over 40 million albums. Ten Grammy nominations, six wins. The members of the band are some of the most sought after studio musicians in American popular music history. They were instrumental in the recording of the biggest seller of all-time, co-writing and recording multiple tracks on Michael Jackson's Thriller. Pull out a big time selling album from the mid-to-late 70s to the mid-to-late 80s, and chances are that Jeff Porcaro, Steve Lukather, David Paich or Steve Porcaro either co-wrote the song(s) on it, or lent their virtuoso playing. If the Hall celebrates great music, few bands have ever had the influence Toto has had. You can't make an album showcasing the most popular songs of the 1980s without them. From the perspective of sheer musical talent, there might be no more gifted group.

Rush got in. Now Toto is my new bully pulpit.

[seanofjapan]

My only takeaway from this thread is that everyone is pissed off because (name of band that they don’t know well because they were over 30 when they became famous) got into the Hall before (name of band that they liked at some point before they turned 30).

Which is cool because that is how I evaluate pop music too.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

It's pronounced:

"SLAYER...SLAYER....SLAYER...SLAYER"


SLAYER RULES!!!!!!!

The only Def Leppard albums worth listening to are prior to Pyromania

Here's my hall of fame...

[ejharrington]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

The only Def Leppard albums worth listening to are prior to Pyromania

Here's my hall of fame...

I would love if there was a Hard Rock & Heavy Metal Hall of Fame.

Black Sabbath, KISS, Venom, Slayer, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, and Metallica could be the first class of inductees.

[tschock]

Originally Posted by ejharrington

I would love if there was a Hard Rock & Heavy Metal Hall of Fame.

Black Sabbath, KISS, Venom, Slayer, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, and Metallica could be the first class of inductees.

Wha? No Purple (Deep)? I really need to watch my speedometer when listening to Lazy or Highway Star live.

[ejharrington]

Originally Posted by tschock

Wha? No Purple (Deep)? I really need to watch my speedometer when listening to Lazy or Highway Star live.

Ok, fair point. Purple is in!

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

One big album does not a fall of fame career make.

2 diamond albums, 6 other platinum albums, and multiple gold albums. They didn't even remotely have "one big album".

[rats60]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

One big album does not a fall of fame career make.

Among those in the metal / hard rock world who should get in before Leppard are : Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Scorpions, Thin Lizzy, and Ronnie James Dio.

And Slayer. Proniounced Slaaayyyyaaahhhhh!!!!!!

And Devo.

2 big albums. Hysteria out sold Pyromania. That is also 2 more big albums that any of those listed bands had. I don't have a problem with Def Leopard making it, but none of those are worthy to me.

Only 2 rock bands really matter and now they will both be in, The Velvet Underground and Roxy Music. After that it is just who is popular and the obvious choices (Beatles, Stones, Who, Zeppelin, Floyd, etc.).