Is the Ty Cobb back still the scarcest T206 back?

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Damn Jamie, great looking back! One day.....

So you won’t trade your Cobb back for one of my Brown Old Mills??!!

But is Cobb on the front of both cards in the proposed trade? I only want a Cobb back because Cobb is on the front. If I am paying mid-four to five or six figures for a card back, it better have a great player on the front.

[MVSNYC]

One of my closest friends just won the Cobb/Cobb in REA, I'm stoked to see it in person, hopefully within the next few weeks...Legendary card.

Jamie- amazing.

PS- I've always loved the "R" is World, on the Cobb back.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by rats60

But is Cobb on the front of both cards in the proposed trade? I only want a Cobb back because Cobb is on the front. If I am paying mid-four to five or six figures for a card back, it better have a great player on the front.

So you've ruled out ever owning a Brown Old Mill?

[Sean]

The estimates that I recall hearing were as follows:

18-20 Old Mill Brown
24 Cobb backs
25-30 Lenox Brown

Old Mill is the most rare, but as the OP pointed out, they are scrap and were not distributed in packs.
We don't know how Cobb backs were distributed. They may have been handed out as promotional items. It seems that they were not packed into Cobb tins, because they were produced in 1910. The tax stamp on Cobb tins indicated a date of 1912 as I recall, so the dates don't line up. I think that it was assumed that they were packed in the tins because some cards and a tin were found together in an old collection.
So the Lenox Brown might be the most rare T206 distributed in packs of cigarettes. But the Lenox Brown is almost certainly a mistake, making the Broadleaf 460 the rarest T206 back that was intentionally produced and distributed. For whatever that's worth.

[Rhotchkiss]

Has anyone seen a Cobb tin? Can someone post a pic if they have one?

[seablaster]

I guess the blue Old Mill Ed Walsh is "persona non grata" in these type of discussions.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Has anyone seen a Cobb tin? Can someone post a pic if they have one?

https://auction.lelands.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=21942

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...e?itemid=21656

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...ce?itemid=3463

[Rhotchkiss]

Thanks Pat. Wow. I don’t normally look at/for non-cars items, but seems that a Ty Cobb tin is quite the collectible.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Sean

The estimates that I recall hearing were as follows:

18-20 Old Mill Brown
24 Cobb backs
25-30 Lenox Brown

Old Mill is the most rare, but as the OP pointed out, they are scrap and were not distributed in packs.
We don't know how Cobb backs were distributed. They may have been handed out as promotional items. It seems that they were not packed into Cobb tins, because they were produced in 1910. The tax stamp on Cobb tins indicated a date of 1912 as I recall, so the dates don't line up. I think that it was assumed that they were packed in the tins because some cards and a tin were found together in an old collection.
So the Lenox Brown might be the most rare T206 distributed in packs of cigarettes. But the Lenox Brown is almost certainly a mistake, making the Broadleaf 460 the rarest T206 back that was intentionally produced and distributed. For whatever that's worth.

How do we know they were produced in 1910? I have always believed that they were printed later.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by rats60

How do we know they were produced in 1910? I have always believed that they were printed later.

Evidence of the 1910 issue date of the Ty Cobb / Ty Cobb card was noted in this Net54 thread back in 2009 (post # 89)……
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...bb+back&page=9


TED Z

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[rats60]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Evidence of the 1910 issue date of the Ty Cobb / Ty Cobb card was noted in this Net54 thread back in 2009 (post # 89)……
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...bb+back&page=9


TED Z

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That is the Ty Cobb tobacco brand. I don't see any reference to a Ty Cobb card with a Ty Cobb back advertising that brand.

[tedzan]

One of the excerpts from the Macon Weekly Telegraph (Feb 1910) states....

"TY COBB, JR. SENDS OUT CARD TO HIS ADMIRERS"

The above News clipping....and the fact that Senator Richard Russell, who collected his tobacco cards in 1909-1910,
and acquired a Ty Cobb / Ty Cobb card in his youth is sufficient evidence to me that this card was issued circa 1910.


TED Z

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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by rats60

How do we know they were produced in 1910? I have always believed that they were printed later.

While I think they could have been I haven't seen definitive proof
either. I have found several ads like this one from Jan 1910 but
none of them mention the Cobb card which seems odd.

Ty Cobb Tobacco.jpg

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Sean

So you've ruled out ever owning a Brown Old Mill?

I have ruled out ever owning a Drum unless I can find one with one of the top players on it and paying through the nose. I have gone after the Cobb/Cobb and may again in the future. My t206 collection is done right now without any of the top 5 scarce backs. I'm not interested in buying them with a common player.