Fake Signed T206 Cards (Too Many to List in the Title, See First Post for List)

[swarmee]

I think that view is shortsided. The culprits already know they're found out. If we get the eBay IDs and names of the people, we can crowdsource the identification of more fraud examples. Why slow play the peeling of the onion at this point?
Are they still a registered eBay user?

[Peter_Spaeth]

The question, or a question, for me is: is it really as easy to do a credible copy of a signature as it looks?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The question, or a question, for me is: is it really as easy to do a credible copy of a signature as it looks?

Take a pen and paper and after 2000 tries let us know.

[painthistorian]

responding to john...

#1-The guy on e bay did not sell fake material, he most likely bought material thru e bay, probably all legit and some were used in the criminal activity that was submitted to 3rd party services, and he sold low end authentic autographs and vintage baseballs that were legit maybe as a smoke screen. You already know where the good fake items went..major AH's, possibly high end e bay autograph dealers, look up every major AH last 3-5 years history, that is how you can tell and network...also PSA & SGC have pop reports of signed T206's so you can at least tell how many are out there...What is worse is how many vintage balls, photos and other items could have been authenticated.
#2-Since the net54 membership knows there is a problem, everyone can check there own inventory/collection regarding signed items and if you feel suspicion about the item, there are enough knowledgeable guys on active list like Richard Simon, Bill P. etc. that can tell real autographs better than most of the authentication services, and ask them.
#3-It is in my opinion, the best interest of everyone is to let the authorities handle this, many key people in the hobby know how important it is to get these forgers out of the hobby, and this will be my last post.

[Fred]

Let's say it's a crew of butt heads pulling this off.

If given the choice of having the crew prosecuted to the maximum possible penalty or having them get a plea deal where they disclose the entire operation and provide as much information on all of the forgeries they created, which would you like to see?

This is all going to take a while once LE gets involved. It'll all come out at some point in time.

It would just be nice to be able to dole out a little vigilante justice. Could you imagine how much money a charity could make if there was an auction to let the winner beat the living crap out of the perps.

[SetBuilder]

Originally Posted by Fred

Let's say it's a crew of butt heads pulling this off.

If given the choice of having the crew prosecuted to the maximum possible penalty or having them get a plea deal where they disclose the entire operation and provide as much information on all of the forgeries they created, which would you like to see?

This is all going to take a while once LE gets involved. It'll all come out at some point in time.

It would just be nice to be able to dole out a little vigilante justice. Could you imagine how much money a charity could make if there was an auction to let the winner beat the living crap out of the perps.

We collect enough donations to build a Net54 forger’s prison where we house the forger. We make him wear Cleveland Browns jerseys as a prison uniform and feed him nothing but cans of Chef Boyardee ravioli while he spends 23 hours a day opening and meticulously sorting late 1980’s baseball card wax packs. For 10 years.

[Laxcat]

Originally Posted by SetBuilder

We collect enough donations to build a Net54 forger’s prison where we house the forger. We make him wear Cleveland Browns jerseys as a prison uniform and feed him nothing but cans of Chef Bogardee ravioli while he spends 23 hours a day opening and meticulously sorting late 1980’s baseball wax card packs. For 10 years.

Nothing but ‘88 Donruss & ‘92 Triple Play for the rest of his miserable life.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by SetBuilder

We collect enough donations to build a Net54 forger’s prison where we house the forger. We make him wear Cleveland Browns jerseys as a prison uniform and feed him nothing but cans of Chef Boyardee ravioli while he spends 23 hours a day opening and meticulously sorting late 1980’s baseball card wax packs. For 10 years.

Except for the Browns jerseys, that sounds like most of my 20's....

For canned, Chef Boyardee isn't bad.

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by steve B

For canned, Chef Boyardee isn't bad.

+1

Not much of a punishment, that is. Now that I'm old and my wife won't let me eat this stuff, it would be a treat to open a can again.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The question, or a question, for me is: is it really as easy to do a credible copy of a signature as it looks?

It's a skill, like anything else. Identifying forgeries is also a skill. In both cases, success = 'Natural talent' + practice + education. Education alone is not enoug

(Dave - great video and as Barry said, it sums up the hobby well)