In light of T206 fiasco...

[jad22]

Originally Posted by theshleps

The number of signed Gehrig exhibits from the 1920's hitting the market have been alarming to me or at least highly suspicious. We know some folks were getting cards signed back in the 1930s like the Goudeys with the red lines under them. Many of us back in the 1960s were sending cards TTM to be signed. When I did that I was sending 1960-1 fleer cards. Never thought of looking for GOUDEYS or T206s and as a teenager in NYC without a card store nearby (just buying packs in a nearby candy store), I would have had no idea how to even get a T206. I did send some older topps to players but nothing earlier. And when the old time dealers like Max Schrager sold HOF autographs I never saw any on vintage cards as I went to his house a number of times
It would be interesting to know how many say signed 1933 Goudey Gehrigs actually exist both real and forged. At auction when say a T206 of a tougher guy like say Baker comes up we are aware of the collectors that might bid as we are most times bidding against others on the board. Wonder what the real demand is. If Baker signed 25 T206 in 1960 with great provenance and pictures to prove it and they were all listed on ebay for $20,000 each buy it now- would they all sell? Just curious

Are any of the signed Baker t206 cards pre-stroke? Some of the 61 Fleer are.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by jad22

Are any of the signed Baker t206 cards pre-stroke? Some of the 61 Fleer are.

This is mine. Got it in person from an old time collector of baseball and music autographs in North Carolina in 2016. Flew down from New York after being connected through Jeff Morey’s autograph magazine. I helped him consign his entire collection through Brian Dwyer over the Spring and Fall 2017 catalogs. For helping him, he sold me a handful of signed prewar cards, including this Baker, and my Lajoie and M116 Wagner. His most valuable stuff was Beatles related. He had some really crazy pieces. Yes, they passed JSA and SGC, but under the recent circumstances, I’ll just show the raw scan.

[RedsFan1941]

how does buying it in person relate to the authenticity of a signature? reading your posts over the past few days it seems you place more importance on when a signed t206 was purchased rather than the signature itself. now added to the mix is if a card was bought in person? runscott is right about the root of the problem.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

how does buying it in person relate to the authenticity of a signature? reading your posts over the past few days it seems you place more importance on when a signed t206 was purchased rather than the signature itself. now added to the mix is if a card was bought in person? runscott is right about the root of the problem.

I was hoping the old time collector was Frank Baker.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

how does buying it in person relate to the authenticity of a signature? reading your posts over the past few days it seems you place more importance on when a signed t206 was purchased rather than the signature itself. now added to the mix is if a card was bought in person? runscott is right about the root of the problem.

I mean that I examined the signature in person. Didn’t buy it on-line based on a scan or an LOA. It was then authenticated by JSA and SGC.

The timing is only important insofar as you consider that the current scourge of forgeries being discussed this week appear to have begun in October 2015. Since this card was purchased in 2016, I think it is important to note a little bit about the history of the card.

[theshleps]

Originally Posted by jad22

Are any of the signed Baker t206 cards pre-stroke? Some of the 61 Fleer are.

I personally own a few Bakers. my 40 playball and 61 fleer of just Baker are prestroke. My 61 Fleer with Sisler and my 60 Fleer are post stroke