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Is there no way to tell the difference from ink that's been on a card for 30-50 years, or more, and a card that's been signed in the last 5 or 10?
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There is, but if it's your card, are you willing to have them take a piece of the signature off the card to run it through a mass spectrometer? I'm not sure there is a non-invasive way to test it.
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There are non- invasive spectrograph machines. Mostly used for metals. They will give an accurate reading of the elements in the ink, but then you need to know what inks were made of in the past and what they're made of now. Some ink formulas have probably remained unchanged since the 70's. Those machines are slowly becoming used for stamps, and a few of the things that everyone "knew" have been proven wrong. Like the brown inks for the 1847 stamps were "known" to be pigmented with rust. Except the recent spectrograph showed exactly 0% iron..... |
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This is precisely the point. There is a way to tell, or there should be - based on the TPG's passing themselves off as "experts." The expertise is the fraud. Just like when David Hall's defense of PSA giving the Gretzky Wagner an 8 was "It doesn't look trimmed to me." What? That's Joe Blow the ripoff guy at your LCS's line, not what you would expect to hear from a supposed "expert" in his field. Well David - what about the cardboard's specific qualities lead you to believe it was not trimmed? What do your years of study of different paper fibers and their aging properties tell you? It's much the same with autograph authentication. The fact of the matter is, while nominally grading of any type (authentication, 1-10, autos...) is "helpful" when buying cards sight unseen, none of it is anywhere near an exact science, and what is far too often overlooked was the hype and marketing drive which led to a company like PSA being able to grow to the size that it is. I think the well-known parties involved in this latest thing w/ the T206's should all have to pay a hefty price in terms of their reputations.
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A random aside that doesn't really fit in anywhere else - what has always intrigued me is comic book grading. How do you become an expert at THAT? In theory it's similar to cards, but man how many pages are in one comic book? If you take some of the hysteria / extreme measures that are starting to be applied to sports card grading, how long would it take to do that with an entire comic book? Um, we'll have this back to you next year. Wait...is PSA already in this business? ;-)
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Hoping to see identifying information soon of the fraudster such as an EBay iD,name, address etc. Would hate to see new victims with ongoing forgeries while waiting for a name. Releasing this information in fact would help others to identify potential fakes in their collections bolstering a prosecution case while allowing them also to take action sooner in particular with EBay, PayPal return deadlines ticking. I would be very surprised if the scope was limited to T206 cards. I don’t really see how withholding this information would be beneficial unless he/she is an international flight risk.
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It isn't helpful and you make a very good point about anyone who was victimized having a window to dispute credit card charges or paypal payments.
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Different situation but when researching the "thought" to be fake Jennings (left) signature, I found the example on the right sold as a common without mention of a signature.
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I never noticed a "meet the team" link on any TPG company's website. I don't think it should be a secret who the graders are either. I suspect/hope the same person isn't grading T206s and shiny modern cards from last year - you'd think there could be a little bio with what their specialties are, yrs of experience, etc..
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I spoke with someone again today, who has been in touch with authorities. As of now there really isn't any new news and the last thing said is that it is prefered not to be made public yet. That is the last word I got and that is what I am going with for now. I know some folks want tar and feather but I always prefer to do what authorities ask.
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