TPG responsibility + AH Responsibility

[SetBuilder]

Originally Posted by Leon

This is the last part of their guarantee. Not exactly sure what it means but it doesn't look like they will guarantee some sort of signature...Maybe there is another guarantee for autographs?

Guarantee applies only to the grade assigned to the card and does not apply to the authenticity of any autograph nor the grade assigned to any autograph; and the Guarantee does not apply to, and cannot be utilized by, the original submitter (or the original submitter’s agents, employees, affiliates or representatives) of the graded card.

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That wording seems to directly contradict the "fails PSA’s authenticity standards" in the 3rd paragraph.

[Snapolit1]

In my next life I'm coming back as a TPG.

If you pay for 15 day service and I get it back to you in a month, who cares. Screw you.

If you pay me to put a card in a holder and I do it poorly and the card is swimming around crooked, who cares. Screw you.

If you pay me to authenticate an autograph and I get snooked by some dude living in his mothers' basement with a few sharpee pens, who cares. Screw you.

And I have so many people lined up out the door for this wonderful service and I can barely deal with them.

God bless America.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

In my next life I'm coming back as a TPG.

If you pay for 15 day service and I get it back to you in a month, who cares. Screw you.

If you pay me to put a card in a holder and I do it poorly and the card is swimming around crooked, who cares. Screw you.

If you pay me to authenticate an autograph and I get snooked by some dude living in his mothers' basement with a few sharpee pens, who cares. Screw you.

And I have so many people lined up out the door for this wonderful service and I can barely deal with them.

God bless America.

Steve, have you ever watched the movie "Goodfellas"... reminds me of that scene with Ray Liotta telling why he wanted to be part of the "gang"....

Love the post!

Edited to add this link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XGAmPRxV48

[steve B]

My limited experience with TPG is that even when handed a solid explanation why something is fake, they'll stand behind their opinion.

And that's a company I like....

[mrvster]

but Liotta couldn't do it without Chantix

[mrvster]

hahahaha

[stlcardsfan]

Originally Posted by mrvster

but Liotta couldn't do it without Chantix

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[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by stlcardsfan

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Easily my favorite modern era gangster movie. Just the best. I'm my next life I'm also marrying Karen.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by steve B

My limited experience with TPG is that even when handed a solid explanation why something is fake, they'll stand behind their opinion.

And that's a company I like....

If JSA pays out for the fake autos then that's going to be quite a bit of cash based on the few that have been posted in the other threads, so far. If they do, then my hat's off to them for standing by their company. JSA will have to authenticate a bunch of stuff to make up for those mistakes. Makes you wonder how many more are out there.

Nobody's perfect - see the following.... I got a kick out of it, kind of felt sorry for the guy that bought the ball with the "lifetime guarantee"...

http://autographplanet.com/forum/rip...time-guarantee

[Zan]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

In my next life I'm coming back as a TPG.

If you pay for 15 day service and I get it back to you in a month, who cares. Screw you.

If you pay me to put a card in a holder and I do it poorly and the card is swimming around crooked, who cares. Screw you.

If you pay me to authenticate an autograph and I get snooked by some dude living in his mothers' basement with a few sharpee pens, who cares. Screw you.

And I have so many people lined up out the door for this wonderful service and I can barely deal with them.

God bless America.

LOL post of the year

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

In my next life I'm coming back as a TPG.

If you pay for 15 day service and I get it back to you in a month, who cares. Screw you.

If you pay me to put a card in a holder and I do it poorly and the card is swimming around crooked, who cares. Screw you.

If you pay me to authenticate an autograph and I get snooked by some dude living in his mothers' basement with a few sharpee pens, who cares. Screw you.

And I have so many people lined up out the door for this wonderful service and I can barely deal with them.

God bless America.

Plus, if we drop a card and thereby damage it, giving it a ding it didn't have when it arrived, we grade it as such, and screw you!

I've had it happen,

Larry

[Exhibitman]

Ditto, Larry. As recently as two years ago. PSA turned a spectacular Maurice Richard (hockey player, for those who don't know) 1960 Parkhurst card into a less spectacular one with a hairline crease.



And while I still love the card, it was a stone cold 8 when I sent it in.

[Snapolit1]

Live shot of cards being graded.

[Lordstan]

For the record, I am not a lawyer.

As far as financial responsibility, to me, it seems that the TPA should only be liable for the auction price if the AH cannot get the money back from the consignor. Even then, it seems that the AH should be liable to refund the purchasing party. They could then possibly sue the TPA for restitution as they could attempt to prove that they accepted the item for sale only based on the opinion of the TPA. Had the TPA not approved it, they would have not sold it and therefore would not have a loss.

IMO, AH and TPAs should be liable for criminal charges only if you could prove they knew the item was fake and either certed the item and/or sold the item with the intent to defraud the buyer.

Again, this is a non lawyer's perspective and understanding. I wonder if someone with real legal knowledge could tell me if I am correct or not.

Another thought: Officially, TPAs only provide opinions, so legally it seems they would be liable for the value of that opinion. I guess what I don't know is if their advertising stating that their opinions helps to improve prices and values of item could somehow make them have additional financial responsibility because they claim it does. Not sure.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

I guess what I don't know is if their advertising stating that their opinions helps to improve prices and values of item could somehow make them have additional financial responsibility because they claim it does. Not sure.

So if a $100 ungraded item becomes a $1000 graded item, the value of the opinion is $900 which they should be on the hook for? Interesting thought.

[Stonepony]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Live shot of cards being graded.

Nicely done!

[biggsdaddycool]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Live shot of cards being graded.

+1


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