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Old 11-28-2018, 10:39 AM
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check mine???
This seems very unlikely to be faked; The signature on front is faded/streaky and oddly located. The writing on back is too much for someone who's faking to add, plus a second signature. Plus the card itself seems a little too damaged: pinhole plus creases just looks natural.
It's like buying a photograph signed with an inscription to someone: less likely to be faked because the limit on people interested in purchasing it.
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Old 11-28-2018, 10:45 AM
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Man this is wild. Great job uncovering all this. With how much this is going to cost, I wonder if these TPGs will just stop grading signed T206s. Obviously there are more valuable autographed items, but a signed Billy Sullivan T206 is pretty obscure. Has to be tough to offer an opinion on a card like that and feel great about it.
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Old 12-01-2018, 01:38 PM
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Man this is wild. Great job uncovering all this. With how much this is going to cost, I wonder if these TPGs will just stop grading signed T206s.
If people will consistently pay you to do something you don't have the expertise to do, then most people will keep on taking the money. 'Transparent ineptitude' is fine.
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Old 11-28-2018, 10:46 AM
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If anyone has a card they want to check against auction records at Worthpoint or anywhere else, or wants the community to help check, we need at a minimum, the auction date (when you purchased it but preferably when it was first sold) and the back type. This is to narrow down the immense amount of cards in the search results. It gets the results down from around 1,000 to a more manageable 2-300.
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If anyone has a card they want to check against auction records at Worthpoint or anywhere else, or wants the community to help check, we need at a minimum, the auction date (when you purchased it but preferably when it was first sold) and the back type. This is to narrow down the immense amount of cards in the search results. It gets the results down from around 1,000 to a more manageable 2-300.
Agreed, although when searching Worthpoint don't include the back in the search as some people don't list the backs in their original ebay posts.
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No surprise here same buyer on the Livingstone.

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Old 11-28-2018, 11:20 AM
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Purchased my first signed T206 at REA a month ago - 10/28/18. This has a Piedmont 150 back. Any concerns with this one?
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I feel terrible for collectors impacted by this. There is just so much fraud in the hobby.

This board is just amazing with the detective work by members to try and stamp out scammers.
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Purchased my first signed T206 at REA a month ago - 10/28/18. This has a Piedmont 150 back. Any concerns with this one?
Is there a cert date for the autograph authentication?
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Is there a cert date for the autograph authentication?
Checked the PSA website and it did not display the date that the card was authenticated. Also searched several serial numbers surrounding this cert number and none had dates. Is there a certain date range to be wary of?
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No surprise here same buyer on the Livingstone.

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There should be a copy of that feedback on the buyer's "feedback left for others" tab.

If we could only track this account down, it will have a list of all the cards he purchased around this same time period. It could reveal his entire body of work.
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Can't we simply ask the Seller "Who purchased this card from you?"
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Can't we simply ask the Seller "Who purchased this card from you?"
Yes, but they may be reluctant to give out that information. I'm just surprised that one of the sellers here hasn't checked their feedback to see if they sold to the identified bidders. Although that may mean the bidder reads this forum and avoided sellers that post here.
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There should be a copy of that feedback on the buyer's "feedback left for others" tab.

If we could only track this account down, it will have a list of all the cards he purchased around this same time period. It could reveal his entire body of work.
Here's the Feedback the seller left the buyer on the Livingstone.

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Not a great scan but I think this is the Baker.

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Old 11-28-2018, 11:13 AM
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Not to point out the obvious, but it's amazing the only reason this guy got caught is because he was using lower grade encapsulated cards that could easily be traced.

Why somebody skilled enough with forging who was able to get away with this for several years wasn't digging up easily obtained lower grade raw versions of these same players I'll never know.

It's almost arrogant.

Could only imagine how many of these are out there that will never get matched up with the original card.

Also, this thread has got me thinking it's about time I stopped being cheap and finally signed up with Worthpoint.
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Not to point out the obvious, but it's amazing the only reason this guy got caught is because he was using lower grade encapsulated cards that could easily be traced.

Why somebody skilled enough with forging who was able to get away with this for several years wasn't digging up easily obtained lower grade raw versions of these same players I'll never know.

It's almost arrogant.

Could only imagine how many of these are out there that will never get matched up with the original card.

Also, this thread has got me thinking it's about time I stopped being cheap and finally signed up with Worthpoint.

Just plain greed. A passable looking raw card might go for a VG price or a little less to someone hoping for a VG or VG-Ex if they're lucky. A graded 10 will usually be less.
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Any luck contacting the original EBay seller?
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Old 12-02-2018, 03:15 AM
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Sorry guys, couldn't help myself. Some mildly NSFW language and probably not the classiest thing I've ever done.

Sorry, couldn't figure out how to upload this to Youtube and keep the captions.


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Ok the authorities have been told but are they gonna do anything? Coaches corners have been selling fake autos for many years and the authorities could care less. And im sure they've sold a lot more dollar amounts in fakes then what the T206s have sold for.
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Ok the authorities have been told but are they gonna do anything? Coaches corners have been selling fake autos for many years and the authorities could care less. And im sure they've sold a lot more dollar amounts in fakes then what the T206s have sold for.
I think this is different than CC. Here there is rock-solid proof that the T206s were signed within the past few years. Unless the forger's lawyer is Perry Mason, he will have a doozy of a time getting out of this one.
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The irony of all this is that a bad signature in a slab is more marketable, and therefore more valuable, than a genuine signature raw. I'm not sure if the goal is to get it right, or simply to keep the market running smoothly.

And it's the same with baseball cards. An altered card in an 8 holder is worth a ton, while an unadulterated raw card is almost impossible to sell. It's an amazing state of affairs.
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Ok the authorities have been told but are they gonna do anything? Coaches corners have been selling fake autos for many years and the authorities could care less. And im sure they've sold a lot more dollar amounts in fakes then what the T206s have sold for.
LMAO.

Anybody with a ten dollar Bob Feller autograph leave the room (only three guys left). Hilarious
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I'm glad I only paid $5.00 for my Bob Feller autograph or I would have had to leave the room before it was over.
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Sorry, couldn't figure out how to upload this to Youtube and keep the captions.


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Hmmm, I guess SGC stands for Sacred Grading Cow. Didn't they slab 8 of these before going to auction? PSA slabbed 1. Reminds me of the old NCAA joke headline: "UNC cited for 100 recruiting violations: UNC-Greensboro being put on probation."
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Hmmm, I guess SGC stands for Sacred Grading Cow. Didn't they slab 8 of these before going to auction? PSA slabbed 1. Reminds me of the old NCAA joke headline: "UNC cited for 100 recruiting violations: UNC-Greensboro being put on probation."
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Sorry, couldn't figure out how to upload this to Youtube and keep the captions.


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Dave...you are a comedic genius!!!!! Very well done!!!!!!! I love those 75' topps borders too! And the minis!!!
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Dave- your film is brilliant, and I have to say it sums up the state of this hobby better than just about anything I've heard so far.
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Hahaha. I love those stupid borders too.

If I was one to submit cards for grading, this would certainly be the end of that. I feel lucky to prefer raw cards. I invite others to join me in not collecting scared.
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“It’s okay. He doesn’t know Elmer Flick was your Dad.” So funny! Thanks for making this!

Ha! I’m not the only one who thought there was pure comedy in this line!
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“ Don’t cry, he doesn’t know Elemer Flick is your dad”
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Needed a good laugh this morning. Well done!
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What a great way to begin my morning!!! I laughed so hard at this!!!! Classic!!! " I think I will go back to collecting midgrade Topps, 1975 ". I am crying while typing....too funny!
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That was awesome. Now wait till he finds out that 75 Topps are just as altered as EVERYTHING else.
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The Great Stuttgart find of ‘38.

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LOL!!! (an I only type that when I Laugh Out Loud!)

Genius is the word that popped into my head as well!
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Sorry guys, couldn't help myself. Some mildly NSFW language and probably not the classiest thing I've ever done.

Sorry, couldn't figure out how to upload this to Youtube and keep the captions.


http://captiongenerator.com/1198202/...raphed-Mystery
This is amazing. Slow clap.
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Those captions went perfectly with the reaction shots of the Hitler entourage. You can just feel that guy's discomfort when the Fuhrer announces his intention to collect 1975 Topps...the hand to the gut, then loosening the collar.

Man, this was beyond classic for us vintage folks, and perfect commentary and a nice break from the T206 fake autograph fiasco.

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