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Old 11-25-2018, 03:28 PM
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That's why I love this site, so much can be uncovered. I wonder if the AH would take a refund or a credit. Wonder what Spence will think about this...


I would reach back to both with some questions.


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Old 11-25-2018, 03:34 PM
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Wow, I hate to go against a professional, but this really takes the cake.

Always err on the side of caution. I'm the only one who sees at least 2 stops and starts ?
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Old 11-25-2018, 04:51 PM
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Always err on the side of caution. I'm the only one who sees at least 2 stops and starts ?
good catch
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Old 11-25-2018, 05:24 PM
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Good chance Clean Sweep knows who the forger is, or at least whoever is working as the fence for the forger.
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Old 11-25-2018, 05:28 PM
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Wow ... that is amazing detective skills. Nice work! I sure hope Clean Sweep makes this right.
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Old 11-25-2018, 05:42 PM
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Once again I am reminded why I should continue to avoid collecting autographs. Nice detective work on the part of the person who uncovered this. I hope everything is made right.
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Please definitely let us know what happens when you confront Clean Sweep about this. I'm very interested in this one.
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Good chance Clean Sweep knows who the forger is, or at least whoever is working as the fence for the forger.
I'd be inclined to bring this to the attention of the authorities in an effort to further clean out this hobby. The hope is that Verk and JSA come out clean and just look a little foolish. It'd be nice to get the forger or people trying to pass it off.

There should be a few good leads out there:

Who requested the authentication?
Who owned the card when it was sent to JSA?

Card was authenticated on/about 22AUG18, around 2-3 weeks prior to the start of the auction.

You have to figure there is a consignor on record and a check was written to that person.

What really blows me away is the fact JSA passed it. They're looking pretty silly as an authenticator at this point.

I suppose nothing should really surprise us anymore when it comes to this hobby.

May be time to re-evaluate this hobby....
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Maybe also see somehow who bought it graded. I can only imagine the blame game coming down the line
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SetBuilder - Manny great detective work! On the trail of grading and auto authentication both companies probably have a name and order on file - more than likely also credit card numbers.... should easily be enough for the LEO's to track down and prosecute...
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Man all of those Williams down the line look like they were signed with the same type of pen as the Marquard.
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