T207 The Best Tobacco Set Of All Time

[Luke]

I love this set too. I really wish more people collected it because that adds to the fun of it for me. When I find a rare T206, I can share my excitement with dozens of friends who feel the same way about the set. When I find a rare T207, I have one friend who really loves them, and a handful that will humor me but don't like really care for them.

[garymc]

Originally Posted by Luke

I love this set too. I really wish more people collected it because that adds to the fun of it for me. When I find a rare T206, I can share my excitement with dozens of friends who feel the same way about the set. When I find a rare T207, I have one friend who really loves them, and a handful that will humor me but don't like really care for them.

Luke, please let me know when a NYA Napoleon comes around !!!!

[frohme]

Originally Posted by Luke

I love this set too. I really wish more people collected it because that adds to the fun of it for me. When I find a rare T206, I can share my excitement with dozens of friends who feel the same way about the set. When I find a rare T207, I have one friend who really loves them, and a handful that will humor me but don't like really care for them.

Not so many folks get jazzed about a find of a bunch of T207's with odd backs, eh Luke?! Now if it'd only been Napoleon, or Anon 3 Recruits!

Like you, I wish there were more to share things T207 with, but it seems the many posts here are met with, well, meh... There are a few aficionados about, but not nearly enough. Maybe that's changing and more folks are taking a closer look. That would be great ... well, my wallet might beg to differ, but the more folks interested, the better for all.

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Mike

[insidethewrapper]

The backs are better than the T206's. Nice write ups. Is it harder to complete a complete set of T206 or T207's ???

[Birken]

Originally Posted by insidethewrapper

The backs are better than the T206's. Nice write ups. Is it harder to complete a complete set of T206 or T207's ???

Good question Mike. I don't know to be honest, im not a collector of T206s, but the sheer size of T206 is daunting especially if you consider back and factory combinations.

But T207 has arguably 30% to 35% of its cards considered difficult to find. The lauded Lowdermilk is not so rare as many think.

Im gonna call it a tie

[rats60]

Originally Posted by insidethewrapper

The backs are better than the T206's. Nice write ups. Is it harder to complete a complete set of T206 or T207's ???

It depends on what you consider complete for t206. If it is the 520 or 522 card set then t207. If you are including Wagner or Doyle, then t206 by a mile. Doyle is far more difficult than any t207. The price of Wagner makes it impossible for most collectors.

[KMayUSA6060]

T207s secret weapon: Grover Hartley.

[obcmac]

Originally Posted by rats60

It depends on what you consider complete for t206. If it is the 520 or 522 card set then t207. If you are including Wagner or Doyle, then t206 by a mile. Doyle is far more difficult than any t207. The price of Wagner makes it impossible for most collectors.

Another T207 fan here. I don't think the Doyle is a tough card...it is a tough printing anomaly...a distinction worth noting I think. The difficulty of the t207s as a whole has made it quite the fun challenge. I do love the muted colors as well. Speaking of muted colors, I grabbed the slabbed Dooin to complement my Cheshire Dooin...looks like they used the border grey for his face on it.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by obcmac

Another T207 fan here. I don't think the Doyle is a tough card...it is a tough printing anomaly...a distinction worth noting I think. The difficulty of the t207s as a whole has made it quite the fun challenge. I do love the muted colors as well. Speaking of muted colors, I grabbed the slabbed Dooin to complement my Cheshire Dooin...looks like they used the border grey for his face on it.

There is a good case to be made that it is a printing anomaly and not part of the set. However, even if that is the case, the price of the Wagner makes completing a t206 set impossible for most collectors.

[garymc]

Originally Posted by frohme

Not so many folks get jazzed about a find of a bunch of T207's with odd backs, eh Luke?! Now if it'd only been Napoleon, or Anon 3 Recruits!

Like you, I wish there were more to share things T207 with, but it seems the many posts here are met with, well, meh... There are a few aficionados about, but not nearly enough. Maybe that's changing and more folks are taking a closer look. That would be great ... well, my wallet might beg to differ, but the more folks interested, the better for all.

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Mike

would you share what you know about Anon 3 Recruits, whats the difference between them and the Broadleaf Anon's ????

[frohme]

Originally Posted by garymc

would you share what you know about Anon 3 Recruits, whats the difference between them and the Broadleaf Anon's ????

Hi Gary. A recent thread on T207 has a variety of details scattered throughout - mostly in the last half of the conversation. A number of details on the anonymous T207's. Earlier, more general T207 info, is also available.

Lots still to learn.
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Mike

[clydepepper]

Ben - tell the truth. You work for UPS don't you? What other reason would you think that Brown has done something for us.

Just kidding of course...drab is beautiful...right?

[Birken]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Ben - tell the truth. You work for UPS don't you? What other reason would you think that Brown has done something for us.

Just kidding of course...drab is beautiful...right?

But UPS stands out don't they...tell me what uniforms Fed Ex where? Drab is Fab!

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[Birken]

Originally Posted by Luke

I love this set too. I really wish more people collected it because that adds to the fun of it for me. When I find a rare T206, I can share my excitement with dozens of friends who feel the same way about the set. When I find a rare T207, I have one friend who really loves them, and a handful that will humor me but don't like really care for them.

Luke...you can share your excitement with finding a rare T207 with me any day of the week. I will humor you on the T206s lol.

Ben

[buymycards]

Originally Posted by Luke

I really wish more people collected it because that adds to the fun of it for me.

Be careful what you wish for. When I started putting together my T213-2 set 8 years ago, I could pick up low grade Type II Coupons for $25-$30. It seems that now there is more attention being paid to this set and there are several people who are attempting to put this set together. Those cards that were $25 8 years ago are now $60 to $100 dollars.

I love the T207's but the only ones that I collect are the ones with the Louisiana backs.

Rick

[Luke]

Originally Posted by buymycards

Be careful what you wish for. When I started putting together my T213-2 set 8 years ago, I could pick up low grade Type II Coupons for $25-$30. It seems that now there is more attention being paid to this set and there are several people who are attempting to put this set together. Those cards that were $25 8 years ago are now $60 to $100 dollars.

I love the T207's but the only ones with the Louisiana backs.

Rick

Yeah, this is definitely a good point. There really aren't enough of the tough T207s to go around, so I probably should just be happy that not many other collectors are out there looking.

[Luke]

Mac, I love that Dooin with the crazy registration!

[tonyo]

I'm a fan of t207's and love this thread. The Speaker is one of my favorite pre-war cards.

A few years ago I tried to put together a Recruit subset of just the poses showing Bats, Gloves, or Belts (no portraits)... Just to give myself a small group to bite off. I don't think I made it all the way before I began to appreciate the portraits as well. I detoured and changed my subset chase to Recruit 2nd series (50 subjects as suggested by Tim Newcomb's article in VCBC #38 June 2004).

I didn't make it all the way on that one either when life got in the way and I had to take a detour.

I've never seriously attempted to include backs other than recruit, but based on the number I recall seeing while working on my recruit subsets, I suspect putting together a t207 set is a good bit more difficult than putting together a t206(520) set.

Here is my Speaker:

[oldjudge]

Ah, you mean other than Old Judge, T204, T205 and T206

[Birken]

The set just kind of sucks you in doesn't it tony...kind of like a black hole

Originally Posted by tonyo

I'm a fan of t207's and love this thread. The Speaker is one of my favorite pre-war cards.

A few years ago I tried to put together a Recruit subset of just the poses showing Bats, Gloves, or Belts (no portraits)... Just to give myself a small group to bite off. I don't think I made it all the way before I began to appreciate the portraits as well. I detoured and changed my subset chase to Recruit 2nd series (50 subjects as suggested by Tim Newcomb's article in VCBC #38 June 2004).

I didn't make it all the way on that one either when life got in the way and I had to take a detour.

I've never seriously attempted to include backs other than recruit, but based on the number I recall seeing while working on my recruit subsets, I suspect putting together a t207 set is a good bit more difficult than putting together a t206(520) set.

Here is my Speaker:

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[frohme]

Originally Posted by obcmac

Another T207 fan here. I don't think the Doyle is a tough card...it is a tough printing anomaly...a distinction worth noting I think. The difficulty of the t207s as a whole has made it quite the fun challenge. I do love the muted colors as well. Speaking of muted colors, I grabbed the slabbed Dooin to complement my Cheshire Dooin...looks like they used the border grey for his face on it.

Originally Posted by Luke

Mac, I love that Dooin with the crazy registration!

So do I - here's his red-handed twin (so to speak)



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Mike

[Birken]

Couldn't agree more guys. If T207 was as popular as other sets, commons would be out of reach for most and the Broad Leaf class would be selling for my first born. I'm glad there is less competition for the cards and so is my bank account as well as my wife

Originally Posted by Luke

Yeah, this is definitely a good point. There really aren't enough of the tough T207s to go around, so I probably should just be happy that not many other collectors are out there looking.

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[Leon]

Yes, popularity has its upside and downside. And if Wags and Cobb were in it it would be more popular, imo

Originally Posted by Birken

Couldn't agree more guys. If T207 was as popular as other sets, commons would be out of reach for most and the Broad Leaf class would be selling for my first born. I'm glad there is less competition for the cards and so is my bank account as well as my wife

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[Yoda]

Is it still an axiom that the Lewis without team emblem is more valuable than his emblemed brother? Can't find any recent info on recent sales, if there have been any.

[puckpaul]

i love this set. has a charm to it for sure. some of the cards are rough to look at, like the WaJo portrait (for a player with some great looking cards, this portrait does not do him justice!), but many of them are very cool and the rarity and difficulty of collecting them, for a major set, is distinctive.

i have a complete set, most of which i got as part of an old time collection which i bought with another person in the hobby. i have added the two Lewis variations and some of the other variations that were missing, like the Livingstons, the Austin insignia, etc. It was not easy to find the missing cards, and i was going to upgrade some cards but it gave me fits and i decided to just be happy with the set as is. i upgraded the Lowdermilk when there were quite a few of them for sale a few years back, but i haven't seen much of anything from this set lately in major auctions.

one thing i noticed is that most of the cards in my set are Recruit with very few Napoleon. not sure if that was how this collector put it together or if Recruits are much more common on the "common" section of the set?

[sb1]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Is it still an axiom that the Lewis without team emblem is more valuable than his emblemed brother? Can't find any recent info on recent sales, if there have been any.

The Lewis No Emblem is undoubtedly the toughest card in the set and I would say the w/Emblem is #2.