The recent rash of bad grade threads ......

[silvor]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

Many comic buyers actually prefer a loose book they can sift through, a vast difference with cards.

Well, you can enjoy a card the same if it were in a PSA holder or if raw. A comic on the other hand, no.

[sb1]

Coins, especially copper large cent and small cents are judged by the 3rd parties based solely on their degree of wear in most instances, unless they have been cleaned which will result in a different holder or label. The advanced collectors also judge them on surfaces as well, be it nice chocolate brown, dark, corroded(scudzy), have scratches or other man made marks, so in effect they net grade the coin from it's degree of wear to reflect it's other flaws. An XF coin maybe net graded to VF 20, or a Fine, net graded to VG8, due to various maladies.

This does not happen so much in silver/gold issues as they don't tend to have some of these issues with the base metal.

To equate it to cards would be the typical qualifiers MC or OC or ST where a card appears Exmt or Nrmt etc but has one of the problems noted and the result is a card with a value of approximately 2 grade levels lower.

[barrysloate]

As Scott noted, copper coins have problems that silver and gold coins do not. A copper coin with porosity, for example, may get a third party grade of "Very Fine Details", which excludes any number designation. A veteran copper collector may instead grade it "Very Fine 20 net Fine 12", deducting 8 points for the corroded surfaces. It does make things confusing having two separate grading systems.

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Have to disagree with this. You can't smell the old cardboard through the plastic. It is also impossible to handle and touch the actual card when it is in a slab. When starting to collect a new set, some collectors purposely buy ungraded cards to get familiar with them. I am not anti-grading. I have graded and ungraded cards in my collection.

Originally Posted by silvor

Well, you can enjoy a card the same if it were in a PSA holder or if raw. A comic on the other hand, no.

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[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by vintagebaseballcardguy

Have to disagree with this. You can't smell the old cardboard through the plastic. It is also impossible to handle and touch the actual card when it is in a slab. When starting to collect a new set, some collectors purposely buy ungraded cards to get familiar with them. I am not anti-grading. I have graded and ungraded cards in my collection.

Agree with Robert here. It's important to get to know the cards when you first get into them. You lose some of that once they are slabbed. I also have graded and raw cards in my collection.

[Leon]

Very much agree with this statement. I purposely handle raw cards (especially scarce ones) more than I used to just because I want to know them better. There is no substitute for handling raw cards for experience.

Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

Agree with Robert here. It's important to get to know the cards when you first get into them. You lose some of that once they are slabbed. I also have graded and raw cards in my collection.