PLEASE don't EVER do this to someone at the card shop/cards show......(i.e. ZIP IT)

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

So you are saying that when 2 people hae negotiated a deal on BST it is ok for you to post on someone else's thread that you think they are selling the item to low?

I didnt think Sean's comment was that big a deal and, in all reality, a deal hadn't been negotiated yet when he made the comment.

There was a '62 partial set for sale earlier today on the BST where the seller wanted $450, but accidentally wrote $45. Someone PM'd him to inform him of the error. Is that interference too? I don't see a difference rather that one comment is public and one is private, but both comments had the same purpose which was to question the sellers asking price.

[frankbmd]

As a seller whose listing price is 10% of market value for whatever reason, I would find the person who notifies me of my pricing error to be more honorable than a mum buyer who wants to make a quick deal for the asking price.

I have had experiences with both types individuals on BST. The honorable ones know who they are. The others probably do as well.

[bigfanNY]

First if you look at thread 20 minutes before Sean's post there is a post that says PM sent. Clearly a buyer marking his territory. Leon would not have posted that Sean was given an infraction if there had not been CLEAR EVIDENCE . But feel free to make up some more alternate theories about how he was doing the right thing trying to help the seller and not trying to step on a deal that was none of his business.
Theory one it's ok to help old lady trying to sell her husbands collection. ( sorry not what happened)
Theory two it's ok to let a seller know about a typo. (sorry not what happened)
I am not saying Sean is a bad guy or that this is a big deal. But I think it is wrong to interfere. Like I said before I don't do it to other people because I would not like it done to me.

[Dewey]

Is this some sort of trick to drive more traffic to 1980s Section of the BST?

I understand the issues with interference. But given the rare case, an infraction is a small price to pay for a matter of conscience.

[pokerplyr80]

PM sent means nothing other than the obvious, a message was sent. Had someone wrote I will take it that's another story. With most sellers, myself included, an offer to buy takes precedence over ongoing negotiations.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

PM sent means nothing other than the obvious, a message was sent.

Exactly. In fact, there was even a thread about this very subject not too long ago.

Edited to add: I was one of the ones that inquired about the vending boxes. Unfortunately, I was too late. My reply was "I've got half a dozen people ahead of you." At that price, I can see why. So was the first "PM Sent" the buyer? IDK. But I believe Sean was looking out for the seller. Maybe he thought the seller made a pricing mistake? If so, that's a reasonable assumption. I would have paid a lot more than the seller's asking price for those vending boxes. They were priced at $40, I would have paid $140. You have to figure that just the '79 vending box probably had at least 450 cards left, and even at $.25 a card that it's worth $112.00. That's not even including the other 2 boxes. Again, there was a reason there were half a dozen people ahead of me. So it was reasonable for Sean to think it might have been a pricing mistake and speak up...and he gets an infraction for it??? Oh well, no good deed goes unpunished.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

As a seller whose listing price is 10% of market value for whatever reason, I would find the person who notifies me of my pricing error to be more honorable than a mum buyer who wants to make a quick deal for the asking price.

I have had experiences with both types individuals on BST. The honorable ones know who they are. The others probably do as well.

+1. I would like someone to notify me if I made I pricing error. I have done that in the past when things have been offered to me too cheap. I wouldn't want to be known as someone who tries to buy things for 10%. I prefer to try to make sure both sides are happy on deals.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I didnt think Sean's comment was that big a deal and, in all reality, a deal hadn't been negotiated yet when he made the comment.

There was a '62 partial set for sale earlier today on the BST where the seller wanted $450, but accidentally wrote $45. Someone PM'd him to inform him of the error. Is that interference too? I don't see a difference rather that one comment is public and one is private, but both comments had the same purpose which was to question the sellers asking price.

There is a big difference to me. When Sean got the infraction I actually told him to do a PM next time. Pm's are different than public posts in a thread on this forum. Mods (and other members) don't see PMs and they aren't any of our business. However, there is a rule against interfering in a BST sale publicly. It is enforced.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Leon

There is a big difference to me. When Sean got the infraction I actually told him to do a PM next time. Pm's are different than public posts in a thread on this forum. Mods (and other members) don't see PMs and they aren't any of our business. However, there is a rule against interfering in a BST sale publicly. It is enforced.

So interfering privately is acceptable? To me, interference is interference...publically or privately. That's just me though.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

So interfering privately is acceptable? To me, interference is interference...publically or privately. That's just me though.

I am not saying interfering privately is good. It's just not something I worry about as moderator.

[jhs5120]

"PM sent" is meaningless to me. I've had buyers write "PM sent" on my BST posts then send me a PM with a low-ball offer. You can't stall a sale with "PM sent" then try to haggle. I find that to be interference as well.

If Sean had wrote, "I'll give you $80 for the vending lot" would that still be interference? A seller has the right to field offers. You shouldn't handcuff a BST post with "PM sent" without making your offer public.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

"PM sent" is meaningless to me. I've had buyers write "PM sent" on my BST posts then send me a PM with a low-ball offer. You can't stall a sale with "PM sent" then try to haggle. I find that to be interference as well.

If Sean had wrote, "I'll give you $80 for the vending lot" would that still be interference? A seller has the right to field offers. You shouldn't handcuff a BST post with "PM sent" without making your offer public.

Agreed....PM sent could mean anything....

[tschock]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

If Sean had wrote, "I'll give you $80 for the vending lot" would that still be interference? A seller has the right to field offers. You shouldn't handcuff a BST post with "PM sent" without making your offer public.

If Sean (or anyone, obviously) put that in there BEFORE there was an indication of an 'I will take it' type response from a buyer, or a 'sold' notification from the seller, then no. If he did that AFTER such an indication, then yes. (IMO)

ANYTHING done via PM is private. And personally, I don't care what you call it (help, interference, love, hate, whatever) and it could be situationally different. It is really on the BUYER as to how he responds to it.

And PM sent means only PM sent. To be honest, I've always interpreted it to be an extra notification to the seller that the person who sent it just wanted to make sure they checked, and/or as placeholder in case the sellers inbox was full.

[Republicaninmass]

I'll take it > everything and anything else

[bigfanNY]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy View Post
So interfering privately is acceptable? To me, interference is interference...publically or privately. That's just me though.

So which is it Interfering is wrong or it's ok if your buddy Sean dose it because he was "just trying to help".
If it was a pricing mistake then Buyer and Seller will work it out. Not OK to interfere.
Not OK to post on someone's BST that I will give you twice your asking price, That is clear interferance. Not OK to interfere.
If the OP received a PM or email saying I will take it then According to BST rules as I understand them he owns it. Not OK to send a private email or message saying you will pay more, that is interferance. NOT OK TO INTERFERE.
That is all I am trying to say and it is just my opinion and also law of the land part of the Uniform Commercial Code as pointed out by lawyer in previous thread.
Notice that I did not state my opinion under someone else's BST post because.... maybe you get it maybe you dont.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy View Post
So interfering privately is acceptable? To me, interference is interference...publically or privately. That's just me though.

So which is it Interfering is wrong or it's ok if your buddy Sean dose it because he was "just trying to help".
If it was a pricing mistake then Buyer and Seller will work it out. Not OK to interfere.
Not OK to post on someone's BST that I will give you twice your asking price, That is clear interferance. Not OK to interfere.
If the OP received a PM or email saying I will take it then According to BST rules as I understand them he owns it. Not OK to send a private email or message saying you will pay more, that is interferance. NOT OK TO INTERFERE.
That is all I am trying to say and it is just my opinion and also law of the land part of the Uniform Commercial Code as pointed out by lawyer in previous thread.
Notice that I did not state my opinion under someone else's BST post because.... maybe you get it maybe you dont.

Unless you respond in the post “I will take this” the item is still fair game for offers. “PM sent” is meaningless.

No one can call dibs on negotiating on an item. If you walk into a store, that’s one thing. If you post on a public forum, the public is allowed to make offers until the item is sold.

[bigfanNY]

Stop with the PM means nothing. if someone wants the item rules say send or post a message saying I will take it.
It is not ok to send or post a message saying I will pay twice what you are asking. That is interferance. And Interfering is not OK.
If a seller posts an item with "taking offers" then ok to field offers. If he posts an item with a price then just like Ebay when you press "Buy it now" button When someone says I will take it they own it at that price.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

So which is it Interfering is wrong or it's ok if your buddy Sean dose it because he was "just trying to help".

I personally don't think what Sean did was interfering. The BST rules say, "favorable comments are generally permitted by third parties." It was a favorable comment to the seller.

[bobbyw8469]

Stop with the PM means nothing. if someone wants the item rules say send or post a message saying I will take it.

Let me rephrase...if I'm selling a card, and a member says "PM Sent" on a card, that could mean ANYTHING.....it could mean, I will take it at your asking price, or it could mean, I will offer you half of what you are asking. Take your pick.