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[luciobar1980]

I am almost ashamed to say it, but would a partial refund be a possibility/reasonable from Probstein on the Hack Wilson? They graded it EX-Mt, came back a 4.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

I am almost ashamed to say it, but would a partial refund be a possibility/reasonable from Probstein on the Hack Wilson? They graded it EX-Mt, came back a 4.

Woops double post.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

I am almost ashamed to say it, but would a partial refund be a possibility/reasonable from Probstein on the Hack Wilson? They graded it EX-Mt, came back a 4.

You thought it was a 6 so you obviously agreed with Probstein. And you paid a full 6 price. While I loathe Probstein, you expect him to guarantee what SGC will subjectively grade his cards?

Edited to add: if you were willing to pay a 6 price for a raw card, why not just buy an SGC 6? Wouldn't have cost you a penny more, you could have saved grading and postage fees and all that anxiety of waiting for your cards to be returned. Why take a chance of paying for the cost of a 6 when you believed the card was only destined for a 6 at best?

[luciobar1980]

Was just bringing it up hypothetically. The Wilson is probably the most I’ve ever spent on a raw card, because it looked great. I did agree based on the auction pics, and still a bit baffled by the grade. That doesn’t mean that probstein couldn’t theoretically stand behind the grade they assigned. Ya know, the fact that the overwhelming majority of their cards are graded and this one wasn’t almost makes me suspicious that they saw something that I didn’t and still can’t see. Hmmm

Originally Posted by calvindog

You thought it was a 6 so you obviously agreed with Probstein. And you paid a full 6 price. While I loathe Probstein, you expect him to guarantee what SGC will subjectively grade his cards?

Edited to add: if you were willing to pay a 6 price for a raw card, why not just buy an SGC 6? Wouldn't have cost you a penny more, you could have saved grading and postage fees and all that anxiety of waiting for your cards to be returned. Why take a chance of paying for the cost of a 6 when you believed the card was only destined for a 6 at best?

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

I am almost ashamed to say it, but would a partial refund be a possibility/reasonable from Probstein on the Hack Wilson? They graded it EX-Mt, came back a 4.

Either send back for a full refund, or eat it. You're probably outside your return window anyways. And if you do return it because it didn't grade what you expected, please leave your eBay handle so people who want to can add it to their block lists.

[luciobar1980]

Dude, F off.

Originally Posted by swarmee

Either send back for a full refund, or eat it. You're probably outside your return window anyways. And if you do return it because it didn't grade what you expected, please leave your eBay handle so people who want to can add it to their block lists.

[luciobar1980]

Geez, It’s almost like some people are just waiting for the chance to jump at your throat. The internet.

[Orioles1954]

I think it really depends on the grader at that respective company. Some are tough while others are more lenient. With the amount of volume these companies receive I honestly don't think there is a consistent standard.

[orly57]

My rule of thumb is that if a raw card looks really good, it has probably been popped out of an unfavorable holder. But if you must take a chance, a second rule of thumb is to pay for it as if it were two grades lower than you think it may be.

[luciobar1980]

Yeah, it looked so nice and I put some faith in Probstein.

Originally Posted by orly57

My rule of thumb is that if a raw card looks really good, it’s probably been popped out of an unfavorable holder. But if you must take a chance, a second rule of thumb is to pay for it as if it were two grades lower than you think it may be.

[bensie]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

Yeah, it looked so nice and I put some faith in Probstein.

So crack it out and send to psa if sgc is too harsh.

[NYYFan63]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

Yeah, it looked so nice and I put some faith in Probstein.

My experience is to be very careful when buying ungraded cards from Probstein. He has a 30 day return policy, which is great. But he doesn’t provide a very good description like PWCC does if it is a nice ungraded card.


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[Dewey]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

Geez, It’s almost like some people are just waiting for the chance to jump at your throat. The internet.

This thread is either the internet hating on you or it is free, yet wise, advice regarding your assumptions about buying raw cards online. You decide.

[luciobar1980]

Everyone is taking my words and distorting them so I’ll just stop.

[vthobby]

Lucio,

What stands out to me the most (and I am being critical) is that you ask for honest opinions on your cards.......yet.........the video takes a full 80 seconds to even get to the first card...........then when you get to the Wilson, you spend a whopping 10 seconds on showing us the actual card. Well not really since you show us literally nothing significant to base our opinion on.

If you REALLY wanted our honest and subjective opinions why didn't you just re-shoot the video and actually show us something we could comment on? You admittedly tell us your camera skills were poor but you still show us the video which does not help at all.

The Wilson appears to be a very interesting card to discuss, analyze, and to give our opinions on but you don't help us at all. An Ebay page is a pretty basic tool. A nice video would have been great.

Just IMO, my 2 cents, peace,

Mike

PS In other words, your thread could have been very interesting but the tools you provided us to assist were lacking. I appreciate your effort. Nice cards BTW.

[luciobar1980]

Sorry, the video was not really meant to be a detailed look at the cards. I just thought it would be fun to show my actual reactions. I’ll post a few pics tomorrow. I’m sure there is something I’m missing on the Wilson, I should have looked over it better before sending it in for grading, I admit that.