OPINION: SGC got it wrong.

[Zan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It sounds to me like you should enlist Rhett's help to explain the distinctiveness of the factory cut, satisfy yourself that they are factory cut, and take another run at SGC armed with this information.

Agreed, Peter. Rhett, email is coming soon.

Brian

[conor912]

Sorry if I have misunderstood this, and please correct me if I'm wrong. What I'm reading is that these are R303s, printed in Boston, with the rest of the R303s. They were then sent to Canada, trimmed, and packaged with WWG and by that virtue alone it now magically makes them V351s?

[rhettyeakley]

Yes, it was done magically.

[rhettyeakley]

Ok, in seriousness. Yes that is how these items were distributed.

The World Wide Gum Co. and Goudey were the "same" company just like Topps and O-Pee-Chee were later, thus the reason they made the same or similar sets like 1933-34 Goudey, also see the Sea Raider cards that have both a Boston and Montreal location on back.

You can think it is all silly but they were issued exactly like you just stated in Canada using (likely left over) stock from Goudey and trimmed and distributed that way. Again, it makes it a different issue but admittedly one that wouldnt be to everyone's fancy as one could make their normal R303 a Canadian versions with a paper cutter. Weird? Yes. Magical? No.

I know I have handled probably 40-50 of them over the years that have ALL come from Canada and they all have the top and bottom borders trimmed from the R303's to make them roughly the size of the regular V351's that they would also produce (likely later when they had added a few Canadian players and produced a smaller physical size card).

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by conor912

Sorry if I have misunderstood this, and please correct me if I'm wrong. What I'm reading is that these are R303s, printed in Boston, with the rest of the R303s. They were then sent to Canada, trimmed, and packaged with WWG and by that virtue alone it now magically makes them V351s?

That's how they were distributed apparently, and by a different (if related) company, so why not a separate designation, don't see the issue.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Ostensibly because SGC can't determine whether the cut was done in the period or if it was done later.

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Ostensibly because SGC can't determine whether the cut was done in the period or if it was done later.

If this is the reason that they will not grade the issue I don’t really have a problem with it, that being said it appears from their correspondence that they were not aware of the issue at all, which I find a bit troublesome.

I could be wrong but I believe the large Beckett Almanac has these listed. It isn’t an unknown set, although I struggle calling them V351-B as opposed to a variation of R303 that were distributed in Canada, although I suppose they would need a V-designation if they were distributed in Canada.