Does PWCC tell the truth? - baseball signs

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by BuckiGuy

I did enjoy how he referenced PSA in defense of authenticity. I mean, they never knowing gave a fraudulent grade to any major historical piece of sports memorabilia...

What's wrong with referencing PSA? PSA, JSA and SGC are pretty much it as far as authenticating things. Our hobby has built them into icons, so how can you knock an ebay seller for referencing them? We have members who won't have an autograph in their collection unless it has PSA or JSA associated with it.

All the giants have fallen at some point. We have a person here in this thread casting stones, who has vehemently supported an autograph 'expert' who has put his name on absolute crap. No authenticator has run the gauntlet unscathed. Doesn't make it right, but that's the nature of our hobby.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by Runscott

What's wrong with referencing PSA? PSA, JSA and SGC are pretty much it as far as authenticating things. Our hobby has built them into icons, so how can you knock an ebay seller for referencing them? We have members who won't have an autograph in their collection unless it has PSA or JSA associated with it.

All the giants have fallen at some point. We have a person here in this thread casting stones, who has vehemently supported an autograph 'expert' who has put his name on absolute crap. No authenticator has run the gauntlet unscathed. Doesn't make it right, but that's the nature of our hobby.

Like you're some kind of arbiter for all this! You think these pieces are good, do you? And if you're going to disparage people here, why not stop being chickenshit about it and name names?

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Like you're some kind of arbiter for all this! You think these pieces are good, do you? And if you're going to disparage people here, why not stop being chickenshit about it and name names?

Hank, you're an idiot.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Hank, you're an idiot.

Well played.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Hank, you're an idiot.

Thanks for making my point.

[ruth-gehrig]

Brent thanks for your reply but I'm thinking just ignoring my original post and acting like you never saw it would have probably served you better.

You could more or less quite most of the skeptical ones here by posting at the very least the results of a simple blacklight test.

Your silence is saying more than you ever could and completely ignoring the second item I mentioned is saying even more.

[murphusa]

The Hassan display was made by Helmar in 2009/2010. At the time they sold for $150/200. Helmar made 40 or so

http://www.net54baseball.com/archive...?t-121734.html

[Brent Huigens]

Thanks to the board! It looks like there's been some good detective work and this is exactly why the message boards are valuable to us.

I'm admittedly humbled by my incorrectness on this topic. The aging on this piece is convincing. I and others have been fooled to say the least; not the first time.

The auction has been ended.

P.S. we rarely post on the boards in an effort to allow the communication to flow freely without pressure from larger companies. So no offense to those members who felt ignored. Not personal. Even now I would have not thought to re-post had a member not emailed me directly to make me aware of the Helmar production (thank you to that member for reaching out).

[CW]

Interesting, Jim. The piece auctioned by PWCC and the piece from this prior thread have the exact same dimensions, too.

PWCC showed this piece to several people at the National to determine authenticity. I might suggest that the next time something "different" like this show up, they simply ask for an opinion here. While not everyone here is an "expert", enough eyes would see the thread and an accurate assessment can usually be made in a few days.

edit: just saw Brent's response. Good result in the end.

[sirraffles]

Just pointing out that Helmar did NOT make this sign. Charles

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by Runscott

What's wrong with referencing PSA? PSA, JSA and SGC are pretty much it as far as authenticating things. Our hobby has built them into icons, so how can you knock an ebay seller for referencing them? We have members who won't have an autograph in their collection unless it has PSA or JSA associated with it.

All the giants have fallen at some point. We have a person here in this thread casting stones, who has vehemently supported an autograph 'expert' who has put his name on absolute crap. No authenticator has run the gauntlet unscathed. Doesn't make it right, but that's the nature of our hobby.

I think the point was... it is not authenticated by psa so to just throw it in there without a name was just smoke. At least that’s how i took it.
Perhaps I’ll be an arbitrator for once... Hank is a great guy Scott. He is certainly no idiot. You’re better than calling him names.

[Lorewalker]

It feels a bit weak to me that the seller does not disclose who the 4 collector/investors are who examined the piece. Assuming these are respected names it would only add credibility to the piece unless of course the seller has showed this piece to 15 collector/investors and only 4 thought it was good.

"...we have indeed shown this item to four different people unrelated to PWCC, all of whom educated collector/investors, and one of whom I do consider a memorabilia expert (as does PSA/DNA)."

Not sure how many other ad pieces the seller has listed but if these are the only two and they are both appearing to be reproductions it is probably best to stay away.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

It feels a bit weak to me that the seller does not disclose who the 4 collector/investors are who examined the piece. Assuming these are respected names it would only add credibility to the piece unless of course the seller has showed this piece to 15 collector/investors and only 4 thought it was good.

"...we have indeed shown this item to four different people unrelated to PWCC, all of whom educated collector/investors, and one of whom I do consider a memorabilia expert (as does PSA/DNA)."

Not sure how many other ad pieces the seller has listed but if these are the only two and they are both appearing to be reproductions it is probably best to stay away.

they dont name the names of the dentists when 4 out of 5 recommend whatever product like trident gum.....they dont even name the one dentist that opposed the product