Deserving of a PSA 10?

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

OUTRAGEOUS!!! but at least the board is finally talking about a heritage auction.

We need to work in parking costs and eBay bucks to steer this thread back to where it belongs.

Regardless, there are worse 10s in the auction than even this one. Remmeber, a lot of these cards come from the Harris collection.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by calvindog

We need to work in parking costs and eBay bucks to steer this thread back to where it belongs.

Regardless, there are worse 10s in the auction than even this one. Remmeber, a lot of these cards come from the Harris collection.

Is that right? So a number of these were cracked and re-submitted?

[calvindog]

I think the flips just changed to remove the Harris pedigree.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I think the flips just changed to remove the Harris pedigree.

For good reason.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

For good reason.

I'm far too lazy and disinterested to look, does the write up mention the pedigree?

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

I'm far too lazy and disinterested to look, does the write up mention the pedigree?

LOL

Wait. You're serious?

[JollyElm]

I think it's an 11. Someone purple sticker that slab!!!

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by calvindog

LOL

Wait. You're serious?

Sometimes, but not now..................

[Sean]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I think the flips just changed to remove the Harris pedigree.

I wonder if I could do that as well. http://www.net54baseball.com/forum/i...s/confused.gif


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[calvindog]

But it "presents well!"

[Sean]

Originally Posted by calvindog

But it "presents well!"

Perhaps when it eventually gets sold it will get a High End certification.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by calvindog

We need to work in parking costs and eBay bucks to steer this thread back to where it belongs.

Regardless, there are worse 10s in the auction than even this one. Remmeber, a lot of these cards come from the Harris collection.

As painful as it is to say, I agree with Jeff on this. This card should be no higher than an 8 IMO, the upper left corner regardless of the cut, simply keeps this card way below a grade of 10, not even close... Also, there are Harris cards out there that look like Stevie Wonder trimmed them....

[swarmee]

Not deserving of a PSA, but since the question was asked:
1) Feathering on top right is not usually discounted since it's a factory cut.
2) Card was graded many (20?) years ago.
3) Top/bottom centering is not nearly 70/30. There's an optical illusion going on because of the top prong.
4) Back centering is pretty awful. PSA 10s only have to be 75/25 on back, but this definitely isn't.
5) Not sure when their current rules on grading were defined. It's possible those came in after this one was graded.

Someone who doesn't care about the grade (but likes the card) could make a lot of their investment back by sending it to PSA and having them regrade it, then take the cashout to the current value.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Not deserving of a PSA, but since the question was asked:
1) Feathering on top right is not usually discounted since it's a factory cut.
2) Card was graded many (20?) years ago.
3) Top/bottom centering is not nearly 70/30. There's an optical illusion going on because of the top prong.
4) Back centering is pretty awful. PSA 10s only have to be 75/25 on back, but this definitely isn't.
5) Not sure when their current rules on grading were defined. It's possible those came in after this one was graded.

Someone who doesn't care about the grade (but likes the card) could make a lot of their investment back by sending it to PSA and having them regrade it, then take the cashout to the current value.

Good luck getting a check back from PSA on this one. I'd be willing to wager against that happening.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Good luck getting a check back from PSA on this one. I'd be willing to wager against that happening.

Yeah no way are they writing checks because cards were graded under looser standards back in the day.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Good luck getting a check back from PSA on this one. I'd be willing to wager against that happening.

More likely that PSA will tell you that someone cracked a holder and slipped the flip and this 8 (OC) card in.

[irv]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Most of the old time collections were stored in cigar boxes. By stacking them horizontally they were protected from further wear, assuming nobody took them out to look at them. The card would have to have been placed in the cigar box in Mint condition of course, which is difficult enough, then preserved that way for a century.

Is it reasonable to question then how so many T206's remain to this day in pristine or near pristine condition? Yes, that's a fair question. There have been some finds over the years of pristine cards, so some of the 8's, 9's and 10's are perfectly original. But not all.

Thanks Barry. I also read that thread about the Southern Find, that is something I never considered.

Originally Posted by swarmee

Not deserving of a PSA, but since the question was asked:
1) Feathering on top right is not usually discounted since it's a factory cut.
2) Card was graded many (20?) years ago.
3) Top/bottom centering is not nearly 70/30. There's an optical illusion going on because of the top prong.
4) Back centering is pretty awful. PSA 10s only have to be 75/25 on back, but this definitely isn't.
5) Not sure when their current rules on grading were defined. It's possible those came in after this one was graded.

Someone who doesn't care about the grade (but likes the card) could make a lot of their investment back by sending it to PSA and having them regrade it, then take the cashout to the current value.

Can one not request the grade remain the same when submitting for a reholder/new flip or would the TPG's say the cards no longer meet the grade we gave them X number of years ago and need to be regraded?

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by irv

Can one not request the grade remain the same when submitting for a reholder/new flip or would the TPG's say the cards no longer meet the grade we gave them X number of years ago and need to be regraded?

Sure, you can ask for a reholder and the card should not be evaluated unless there is tampering or the grade is totally off so as to trigger a review.
I am talking about the Review process, where you pay PSA to review the card in the holder, with no minimum grade. If PSA now deems this card to be a PSA 7 instead of a 10, their guarantee states that they will reimburse the submitter the difference between what they paid and what a 7 sells for.
I was just spitballing anyways, because the person buying this will definitely overpay for the 10 on the flip for a set registry, and it will never be reviewed.

And Copa, if you submitted your cards 20 years ago, they may have been graded more leniently. But since you don't have a time machine, you get graded by today's current standards, just like the rest of us.