Assumptions about TPG

[conor912]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And therefore what? On certain cards it hasn't worked out that way so what's better, take some time to educate yourself or moan that things should be otherwise?

You sound like you need a hug.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by conor912

You sound like you need a hug.

Because I'm suggesting that people inform themselves? Sure, if you say so.

[pokerplyr80]

If these fakes are good enough to fool an auction house that can see the card in person I don't see how the average collector will be able to spot them from a scan. Unless the AH just completely missed something obvious.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

If these fakes are good enough to fool an auction house that can see the card in person I don't see how the average collector will be able to spot them from a scan. Unless the AH just completely missed something obvious.

Don't assume the AHs are experts as to every card that has been faked. Some are, some may not be.

[rainier2004]

Peter's comment to educate yourself is the best advice in the world. I know we have a ton of people in the business, cough hobby, that weren't doing this in the 80s when shows were everywhere and you could hold cards in your hand. With that said, we also didn't have the internet, email, texts and ll the crap we have now..

TPGs are suppose to bring peace of mind, but educating yourself will always be the better way to go. Reach out others, ask questions and do as much research as you need to put your mind to ease. When you educate yourself on a card you also tend to meet more people and add to your personal network as most people are extremely willing to share info when spotting fakes.

And on LOTG, if anyone thinks Al didn't take care of this then you need to go and piss in someone else's cheerios. Al did the right thing, apologized, credited the potential buyer, was transparent and in the end STOPPED a transaction that was no good. IMO Al simply did his job, but Ill give him credit for doing his job the right way. Al is the last person I would be concerned about getting screwed in a card deal from, plus the man absolutely loves doing what he does.

S Suckow

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Don't assume the AHs are experts as to every card that has been faked. Some are, some may not be.

I'm sure they're not. But I would assume the average person running an auction house is more knowledgeable than the average collector. Plus they have the advantage of seeing the card in person. Spotting some of these, which may be authentic but altered cards in cracked or fake psa cases requires more than educating yourself a little on spotting common fakes.

It's too bad that buying a card from a major AH in an sgc or PSA holder is no longer a guareantee you're getting what you're paying for.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I'm sure they're not. But I would assume the average person running an auction house is more knowledgeable than the average collector. Plus they have the advantage of seeing the card in person. Spotting some of these, which may be authentic but altered cards in cracked or fake psa cases requires more than educating yourself a little on spotting common fakes.

It's too bad that buying a card from a major AH in an sgc or PSA holder is no longer a guareantee you're getting what you're paying for.

I don't disagree. My only point, and I really don't know why people take issue with it, is that a collector considering making a major purchase ought to take a little time to educate himself taking advantage of all the resources available to do so.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

My only point, and I really don't know why people take issue with it

They don't, they're just trying to make their own points and you're crapping all over them.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't disagree. My only point, and I really don't know why people take issue with it, is that a collector considering making a major purchase ought to take a little time to educate himself taking advantage of all the resources available to do so.

Shame on you for suggesting that people should take some responsibility in knowing more about what they are buying! That is just so unreasonable.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't disagree. My only point, and I really don't know why people take issue with it, is that a collector considering making a major purchase ought to take a little time to educate himself taking advantage of all the resources available to do so.

I have no issue with that at all. Collectors should have as much knowledge as they can before spending a few hundred or thousand dollars on a baseball card. Something as simple as knowing when to avoid a specific Ebay seller or passing on a deal that seems too good to be true could have helped avoid situations I've read about on this board.