Now that the dust has settled....observations regarding The 2018 Cleveland National

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by ruth_rookie

Cons: I’m surprised they let dogs in there. How cool is that?��

They literally did. I passed by two police officers and their K-9. Is that really necessary at a sports memorabilia show? Can anyone surmise what the need for a police dog would be? Seemed entirely unwarranted. Clearly, large amounts of cash are all over the the room, as is the case at plenty of trade shows. This was either the Wednesday afternoon or the very early part of Thursday. The cops were there to make an arrest of which we're all aware, but was a K-9 needed for that purpose?

I have a fading recollection of seeing a police dog at another National. I want to say the second-last one held in Baltimore. Again, an arrest was made on the floor at some point during that show, but I'm still not seeing the need for a dog.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by BillyCox3

They literally did. I passed by two police officers and their K-9. Is that really necessary at a sports memorabilia show? Can anyone surmise what the need for a police dog would be? Seemed entirely unwarranted. Clearly, large amounts of cash are all over the the room, as is the case at plenty of trade shows. This was either the Wednesday afternoon or the very early part of Thursday. The cops were there to make an arrest of which we're all aware, but was a K-9 needed for that purpose?

I have a fading recollection of seeing a police dog at another National. I want to say the second-last one held in Baltimore. Again, an arrest was made on the floor at some point during that show, but I'm still not seeing the need for a dog.

Wow!! Totally didn't hear that one!! Who got arrested?

[CurtisFlood]

I think he is referring to a middle aged man and wife combo who were selling their own personally signed autos of famous people.

[ruth_rookie]

...by Rich Mueller for “Sports Collectors Daily” about the ‘91 National in Anaheim. Good times.

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...theft-plagued/

[Rich Klein]

Couple of quick notes:

1) I know this does not affect people on this board but the case breakers being in the same room as the dealers brought extra energy to the show floor. In Chicago they are in their own room.

2) I don't think Jim is part of Levi's family but other than him most if not all of the people behind Levi's booth at NSCC are family members.

3) I do agree even with the Ferris Wheel and the breaks in the middle of the floor. this year was laid out beautifully for all concerned. One of my two local LCS had a table in the very back of the room and he sold everything he wanted to and more at the show. And trust me, he's no wholesaler either

Rich

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Wow!! Totally didn't hear that one!! Who got arrested?

Tony Posada
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=258169

Also, dogs is a slang term for feet. Wasn't sure some people in this thread actually understood that.

[hcv123]

I heard the officers were collectors and the dogs were trained to sniff out dealers exaggerating the condition of their cards or inflating the prices of the same

[Hot Springs Bathers]

Leon are there other In and Out locations other than the one right on I-30 in Rockwall? I love them!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Hot Springs Bathers

Leon are there other In and Out locations other than the one right on I-30 in Rockwall? I love them!

Here are 37 with about half being in the DFW area...It seems there is one on every corner in parts of the North DFW area where I frequently drive. There are 2 on 635 within a few miles of each other, One near Coit and one near Midway or Marsh....... I live near Allen and know of the one in Allen (been there 7 yrs now) and one in PLano not far from me too. Good cheap burgers, "make it animal style dry with extra pickles and make the fries crispy please."

http://www.in-n-out.com/locations/texas

Back to the original subject. It sounds like almost everyone who went had a great time. I think it's wonderful as it's great for the hobby. When I go I usually have a good time seeing old friends and cards I can't (or won't) afford. And every now and then I am able to find a nugget too.
That said, I sure hope the National finds a better way to accommodate more dealers in the future. So far the National number to call hasn't been answering their phone or voicemails for going on 2 weeks now. What other business does that and succeeds? It's a modern day miracle. I think of sheeple.....and I am one too .

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[Johnny630]

LE K-9 Drugs/Weapons/Explosives. I always love to see uniformed law enforcement :-)

Most guys would never guess but there was plenty of law enforcement walking the floor dressed as ordinary guys. Many of us are collectors :-)

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by Leon

Here are 37 with about half being in the DFW area...It seems there is one on every corner in parts of the North DFW area where I frequently drive. There are 2 on 635 within a few miles of each other, One near Coit and one near Midway or Marsh....... I live near Allen and know of the one in Allen (been there 7 yrs now) and one in PLano not far from me too. Good cheap burgers, "make it animal style dry with extra pickles and make the fries crispy please."

http://www.in-n-out.com/locations/texas

Back to the original subject. It sounds like almost everyone who went had a great time. I think it's wonderful as it's great for the hobby. When I go I usually have a good time seeing old friends and cards I can't (or won't) afford. And every now and then I am able to find a nugget too.
That said, I sure hope the National finds a better way to accommodate more dealers in the future. So far the National number to call hasn't been answering their phone or voicemails for going on 2 weeks now. What other business does that and succeeds? It's a modern day miracle. I think of sheeple.....and I am one too .

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I think the In and Out Burger place Leon is referring to is the one by the show I run at the Comfort Inn (subtle plug) -- there is also one about 10 minutes north on Central.

As for the 2019 National Tables they are already SOLD OUT with a growing wait list for next year. The odds are steep to get a table but always possible

Rich

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Leon

Here are 37 with about half being in the DFW area...It seems there is one on every corner in parts of the North DFW area where I frequently drive. There are 2 on 635 within a few miles of each other, One near Coit and one near Midway or Marsh....... I live near Allen and know of the one in Allen (been there 7 yrs now) and one in PLano not far from me too. Good cheap burgers, "make it animal style dry with extra pickles and make the fries crispy please."

http://www.in-n-out.com/locations/texas

Back to the original subject. It sounds like almost everyone who went had a great time. I think it's wonderful as it's great for the hobby. When I go I usually have a good time seeing old friends and cards I can't (or won't) afford. And every now and then I am able to find a nugget too.
That said, I sure hope the National finds a better way to accommodate more dealers in the future. So far the National number to call hasn't been answering their phone or voicemails for going on 2 weeks now. What other business does that and succeeds? It's a modern day miracle. I think of sheeple.....and I am one too .

.

try it mustard fried with chopped chilis. your mouth will thank you.

[tschock]

Originally Posted by BillyCox3

They literally did. I passed by two police officers and their K-9. Is that really necessary at a sports memorabilia show? Can anyone surmise what the need for a police dog would be? Seemed entirely unwarranted. Clearly, large amounts of cash are all over the the room, as is the case at plenty of trade shows. This was either the Wednesday afternoon or the very early part of Thursday. The cops were there to make an arrest of which we're all aware, but was a K-9 needed for that purpose?

My guess would be because many criminals are more afraid of the dogs than they are of getting shot. I didn't see the K-9 dogs, but did see a couple of service dogs though.

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by BillyCox3

They literally did. I passed by two police officers and their K-9. Is that really necessary at a sports memorabilia show? Can anyone surmise what the need for a police dog would be? Seemed entirely unwarranted. Clearly, large amounts of cash are all over the the room, as is the case at plenty of trade shows. This was either the Wednesday afternoon or the very early part of Thursday. The cops were there to make an arrest of which we're all aware, but was a K-9 needed for that purpose?

I have a fading recollection of seeing a police dog at another National. I want to say the second-last one held in Baltimore. Again, an arrest was made on the floor at some point during that show, but I'm still not seeing the need for a dog.

I would much rather have K-9 units instead of metal detectors that make me feel like a terrorist for no reason and greatly slow entrance into the show.

[RedsFan1941]

Originally Posted by BillyCox3

They literally did. I passed by two police officers and their K-9. Is that really necessary at a sports memorabilia show? Can anyone surmise what the need for a police dog would be? Seemed entirely unwarranted. Clearly, large amounts of cash are all over the the room, as is the case at plenty of trade shows. This was either the Wednesday afternoon or the very early part of Thursday. The cops were there to make an arrest of which we're all aware, but was a K-9 needed for that purpose?

I have a fading recollection of seeing a police dog at another National. I want to say the second-last one held in Baltimore. Again, an arrest was made on the floor at some point during that show, but I'm still not seeing the need for a dog.

i am going to guess that the police are better judges of what they need to do their job than is a baseball card collector on a chat board. if they thought they needed a K-9 unit then so be it.

[vthobby]

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

i am going to guess that the police are better judges of what they need to do their job than is a baseball card collector on a chat board. if they thought they needed a K-9 unit then so be it.

They are. True. In response to the previous poster that thought it was absurd.......what about the possibility that the dog was able to sense or sniff out bombs or explosives? That might come in handy in a crowd situation. How about as a flat out deterrent? If I'm a thief and see that dog, I might think twice about snatching a thousand dollar card and running if detected. Actually, that would definitely be a deterrent. Seeing a police dog and officers always makes me happy like when I see an F-16 fly by. Freedom baby. It tells me, no worries here, now just go about your day!

Peace, Mike

[Bpm0014]

Seeing a police dog and officers always makes me happy

Same here. Only criminals or those with bad intentions get nervous with a police presence...

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Bpm0014

Seeing a police dog and officers always makes me happy

Same here. Only criminals or those with bad intentions get nervous with a police presence...

+1
I was eating at a Local In and Out Burgers yesterday. A few seats over were a couple of men in blue with guns. I felt safer. I always like seeing an authority presence where I am. Only bad people and idiots would think otherwise, imo.

[conor912]

Interesting. For me, seeing a cop and a dog means that they think there is a higher likelihood of sh*t going down. It puts me more on edge.

[gawaintheknight]

Originally Posted by Leon

+1
I was eating at a Local In and Out Burgers yesterday. A few seats over were a couple of men in blue with guns. I felt safer. I always like seeing an authority presence where I am. Only bad people and idiots would think otherwise, imo.

Respectfully disagree. I know you don't allow political discussions here but there are many stories of police abuse and misconduct that make many people, especially racial minorities, legitimately nervous to see the police even when they have done nothing wrong. If you want, I can give examples and statistics. If you want to think of me as an idiot that's fine with me. Thanks for letting me speak my piece. Ted Clayton

[wazoo]

Originally Posted by gawaintheknight

Respectfully disagree. I know you don't allow political discussions here but there are many stories of police abuse and misconduct that make many people, especially racial minorities, legitimately nervous to see the police even when they have done nothing wrong. If you want, I can give examples and statistics. If you want to think of me as an idiot that's fine with me. Thanks for letting me speak my piece.

A few bad eggs can besmirch the overall image of a group of men and women who put their lives on the line for us each day -- I'm thankful for law enforcement and for all of their work that goes unnoticed. Abuse of power comes with all positions, it's not just about statistics. It's our job to stay vigilant and speak up when such injustices occur. Thin blue line....

[Leon]

It is ok to disagree just put your name next to your post. thanks

Originally Posted by gawaintheknight

Respectfully disagree. I know you don't allow political discussions here but there are many stories of police abuse and misconduct that make many people, especially racial minorities, legitimately nervous to see the police even when they have done nothing wrong. If you want, I can give examples and statistics. If you want to think of me as an idiot that's fine with me. Thanks for letting me speak my piece.

[vthobby]

Originally Posted by Bpm0014

Seeing a police dog and officers always makes me happy

Same here. Only criminals or those with bad intentions get nervous with a police presence...

Thanks Brendan,

I guess you could take your post both way but either way, I smiled!