The new SGC is almost here!

[Johnny630]

It looks like most on the board like their new flip and system. Maybe they will become the new TPG number 1.

[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

It looks like most on the board like their new flip and system. Maybe they will become the new TPG number 1.

After what was said on the floor of National I don’t think they have enough patches to plug the holes in their boat now.

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by T205 GB

After what was said on the floor of National I don’t think they have enough patches to plug the holes in their boat now.

Their National preparation was very, very disappointing. However, you're discounting something that was said a lot on the floor: their customer service was still excellent. I submitted some cards on Saturday, and despite internet problems, Andy was tremendous. I'm neutral on the flips. The black gasket is still the best part about their slabs, and their customer service is excellent. I will continue to use SGC based on those two factors, and believe they will be able to right the ship after a shaky (to say the least) National.

[swarmee]

How were the submission lines at the three TPGs? Looks like PSA's new streamlined process was nice and saved people a bunch of time.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by T205 GB

After what was said on the floor of National I don’t think they have enough patches to plug the holes in their boat now.

They will be using computers to grade cards, thereby removing the uncertainty that exists when humans are involved, i.e. the garbage grading from PSA. They will have scans of all cards graded which will be available to anyone online. They will have the ability to make offers on any card graded, again available to anyone online. Their customer service blows away PSA. Their slab is head and shoulders better looking than PSA's. Oh - but PSA has the Registry which causes higher resale value on certain issues. I'm sure SGC has no chance in such a marketplace.

[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by calvindog

They will be using computers to grade cards, thereby removing the uncertainty that exists when humans are involved, i.e. the garbage grading from PSA. They will have scans of all cards graded which will be available to anyone online. They will have the ability to make offers on any card graded, again available to anyone online. Their customer service blows away PSA. Their slab is head and shoulders better looking than PSA's. Oh - but PSA has the Registry which causes higher resale value on certain issues. I'm sure SGC has no chance in such a marketplace.

I am well aware of what they are trying to do.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by calvindog

They will be using computers to grade cards, thereby removing the uncertainty that exists when humans are involved, i.e. the garbage grading from PSA. They will have scans of all cards graded which will be available to anyone online. They will have the ability to make offers on any card graded, again available to anyone online. Their customer service blows away PSA. Their slab is head and shoulders better looking than PSA's. Oh - but PSA has the Registry which causes higher resale value on certain issues. I'm sure SGC has no chance in such a marketplace.

Just wondering, what is your hard on with PSA? You are beyond intelligent enough to know the difference in value....Also, who gives a damn about how nice the holder is when resale value is in play? Hell, for that matter, Beckett's holders are nice and thick....Really? Why is this a big deal? Would you sacrifice price versus presentation? It sounds like you have a huge agenda with PSA, good luck with that for whatever reason.....

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Just wondering, what is your hard on with PSA? You are beyond intelligent enough to know the difference in value....Also, who gives a damn about how nice the holder is when resale value is in play? Hell, for that matter, Beckett's holders are nice and thick....Really? Why is this a big deal? Would you sacrifice price versus presentation? It sounds like you have a huge agenda with PSA, good luck with that for whatever reason.....Wonder what David Hall would think about different holders versus value?

I don't have an "agenda" with PSA -- I have thousands of cards in PSA holders. Some of us are not as desperate for money when it comes to this hobby so resale is not the only issue when picking a grading company. And other than in popular Registry sets, resale value is no different between the two companies. In addition, as someone who spends big money on cards, I feel more comfortable buying an SGC card than a PSA card on average as I know there is a better chance of the card being graded correctly. Finally, the cards look better in SGC holders and SGC's customer service is leaps and bounds ahead of PSA's.

I guess if responding negatively to shitty customer service, lousy grading and ugly holders qualifies as an "agenda" than I have an agenda.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I don't have an "agenda" with PSA -- I have thousands of cards in PSA holders. Some of us are not as desperate for money when it comes to this hobby so resale is not the only issue when picking a grading company. And other than in popular Registry sets, resale value is no different between the two companies. In addition, as someone who spends big money on cards, I feel more comfortable buying an SGC card than a PSA card on average as I know there is a better chance of the card being graded correctly. Finally, the cards look better in SGC holders and SGC's customer service is leaps and bounds ahead of PSA's.

I guess if responding negatively to shitty customer service, lousy grading and ugly holders qualifies as an "agenda" than I have an agenda.

Fair enough...Interesting though as all of the high graded T206s I bought from you several years ago, all were graded PSA...

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Fair enough...Interesting though as all of the high graded T206s I bought from you several years ago, all were graded PSA...

I was buying all over the place back then in high grade PSA and SGC -- just look at my Chase and Cobb collections. Simple fact is, more high graded T206s are sold in PSA holders so necessarily I'd be buying more of them. Yes, SGC's went for cheaper and when that opportunity arose to buy them, I bought them. I've never submitted a raw T206 to either company. The cards I buy raw and submit, additionally, are usually in sets that are not impacted by the Registry. It's just easier for me to send them to SGC and get them back in the time it takes for PSA to even acknowledge receipt of the package.

[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Just wondering, what is your hard on with PSA? You are beyond intelligent enough to know the difference in value....Also, who gives a damn about how nice the holder is when resale value is in play? Hell, for that matter, Beckett's holders are nice and thick....Really? Why is this a big deal? Would you sacrifice price versus presentation? It sounds like you have a huge agenda with PSA, good luck with that for whatever reason.....

He is just had a strong preference for SGC.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by T205 GB

After what was said on the floor of National I don’t think they have enough patches to plug the holes in their boat now.

What was said in the floor of the National?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by T205 GB

After what was said on the floor of National I don’t think they have enough patches to plug the holes in their boat now.

Originally Posted by Johnny630

What was said in the floor of the National?

+1 What was said at The National.

[Republicaninmass]

Truth! I only buy pricing errors

[52ToppsMantle]

Originally Posted by T205 GB

After what was said on the floor of National I don’t think they have enough patches to plug the holes in their boat now.

What was said at the national, and how many holes in the boat are we talking about?

[Republicaninmass]

Are we talking....Titanic?

[canjond]

I don't know what was said but they were basically having technical issues the whole show. I was lucky enough that my submission somehow got through, albeit it took 2.5 days.

[Republicaninmass]

"Skynet had become self aware"

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

"Skynet had become self aware"

It has to start somewhere...

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