PWCC-PQ (premium quality)

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I agree in terms of PWCCs goal, yet wouldn't be so quick to throw all 3s and 4s under the bus with such a sweeping generalization. I am no fan of PWCC's new "eye appeal system," yet eye appeal does matter a great deal in the card world, and routinely has a major impact on price.

Totally agree that eye appeal does matter a great deal. I just don't need PWCC's opinion in that regard, which is obviously totally subjective.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Totally agree that eye appeal does matter a great deal. I just don't need PWCC's opinion in that regard, which is obviously totally subjective.

Not to mention, does anyone think they make these decisions wholly independent of the identity of the consignor?

[gregr2]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Not to mention, does anyone think they make these decisions wholly independent of the identity of the consignor?

Good point Peter, the consignor probably weighs heavily on who gets the gold star and who doesn't.

[bensie]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Totally agree that eye appeal does matter a great deal. I just don't need PWCC's opinion in that regard, which is obviously totally subjective.

Yes, I understand that you guys trust your own eyes, but when you're buying things off the internet, you can't always see everything on the card. Slight creases are notoriously difficult to notice even in good scans. For example, can you tell me where the crease is in the card below? (hint, it's not the corners) The stickers give assurance to me that there isn't anything really "hidden" by the scans. I think it's a good idea, and I would feel much more confident bidding strongly on a card that has something like this. I also trust PWCC, so when they put their sticker of approval on a card, I do see it as adding value.

[bobbyw8469]

I think the crease is on the right border running down thru the 's' in athletics....although my eyes are failing me as I get older.

[RedsFan1941]

bensie

41 posts

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fan of pwcc

[bensie]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I think the crease is on the right border running down thru the 's' in athletics....although my eyes are failing me as I get older.

Nope...

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

bensie

41 posts

no name

fan of pwcc

So because I'm new and didn't fill out my profile, I'm not allowed to have an opinion? Look, it's a simple fact. PWCC putting their HE designator on a card does increase its value. This means that the marketplace (IE people like me) do see a value and do pay for it. Period, end of discussion. I see the PQ designation as adding similar value. It helps to assure me that the card is free from stuff that doesn't show up in a scan.

And yes, I like PWCC. Their scans are always good/consistent, and very representative of the card you receive. I've bought from them and sold through them, and will continue to do so. For selling cards over $200, it's a no brainer. The fees they charge are the same as I'd pay ebay, and if I send to them, I don't have to do any of the work and don't have to deal with the buyers.

[MattyC]

Originally Posted by bensie

Look, it's a simple fact. PWCC putting their HE designator on a card does increase its value.

This is precisely where collectors need to be careful, and brings up a subtle yet pretty important point...

PWCC's sticker is not what is increasing the value; the eye appeal of the card in question is what is increasing the card's value, relative to others in the same grade.

It is the card that is getting its due recognition from us collectors and our wallets; PWCC is merely choosing to use a sticker to hang a lantern on exceptional eye appeal, in precisely the same way that another seller will say "high end" or "great eye appeal" or "presents better than some higher grades," etc. Is it a flashier gimmick? Yes. A more effective lantern? Perhaps.

It is paramount to remember that such cards tend to do their thing on the selling block just fine, without a special sticker that merely states the obvious. I'm sure many of us paid "HE-sticker-like premiums" on many a card, long before PWCC rolled out their campaign.

If one allows PWCC's sticker to become the thing instead of the card, that is where a big risk is run. Just as with PSA's stickers— the card has to merit what the sticker says. And only our eyes can confirm or disconfirm that.

Of course this all goes to the heart of one's collecting philosophy— in terms of whether one is collecting cards, or stickers.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by MattyC

This is precisely where collectors need to be careful, and brings up a subtle yet pretty important point...

PWCC's sticker is not what is increasing the value; the eye appeal of the card in question is what is increasing the card's value, relative to others in the same grade.

It is the card that is getting its due recognition from us collectors and our wallets; PWCC is merely choosing to use a sticker to hang a lantern on exceptional eye appeal, in precisely the same way that another seller will say "high end" or "great eye appeal" or "presents better than some higher grades," etc. Is it a flashier gimmick? Yes. A more effective lantern? Perhaps.

It is paramount to remember that such cards tend to do their thing on the selling block just fine, without a special sticker that merely states the obvious. I'm sure many of us paid "HE-sticker-like premiums" on many a card, long before PWCC rolled out their campaign.

If one allows PWCC's sticker to become the thing instead of the card, that is where a big risk is run. Just as with PSA's stickers— the card has to merit what the sticker says. And only our eyes can confirm or disconfirm that.

Of course this all goes to the heart of one's collecting philosophy— in terms of whether one is collecting cards, or stickers.

Give me a clear and accurate scan and no marketing BS every time. I'll pass on the kool aid, thank you.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bensie

Nope...



So because I'm new and didn't fill out my profile, I'm not allowed to have an opinion? Look, it's a simple fact. PWCC putting their HE designator on a card does increase its value. This means that the marketplace (IE people like me) do see a value and do pay for it. Period, end of discussion. I see the PQ designation as adding similar value. It helps to assure me that the card is free from stuff that doesn't show up in a scan.

And yes, I like PWCC. Their scans are always good/consistent, and very representative of the card you receive. I've bought from them and sold through them, and will continue to do so. For selling cards over $200, it's a no brainer. The fees they charge are the same as I'd pay ebay, and if I send to them, I don't have to do any of the work and don't have to deal with the buyers.

How do you like that sticker-worthy 58 Clemente?

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

How do you like that sticker-worthy 58 Clemente?

Someone may have already covered this, but what happens if you have a HE PWCC card AND convince that dude to slap a purple sticker on it? Does the damm thing just spontaneously combust at that point?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Someone may have already covered this, but what happens if you have a HE PWCC card AND convince that dude to slap a purple sticker on it? Does the damm thing just spontaneously combust at that point?

Millenial women will fall all over you.

[RedsFan1941]

Originally Posted by bensie

So because I'm new and didn't fill out my profile, I'm not allowed to have an opinion?

sure you're allowed to have an opinion. and if you want to express it here, check out the rule in bold at the top of the page:

If you give an opinion of a person or company your full name needs to be in your post.

[the 'stache]

Oh, how I wish Yogi Berra were alive to see this.

[Leon]

Fixed and he and I will have a quick chat about it soon...

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

sure you're allowed to have an opinion. and if you want to express it here, check out the rule in bold at the top of the page:

If you give an opinion of a person or company your full name needs to be in your post.

[frankbmd]

If there is a flaw on a PWCC stickered card, HE or PQ, that gives a whole new meaning to “sticker shock”.

Originally Posted by bensie

Yes, I understand that you guys trust your own eyes, but when you're buying things off the internet, you can't always see everything on the card. Slight creases are notoriously difficult to notice even in good scans. For example, can you tell me where the crease is in the card below? (hint, it's not the corners) The stickers give assurance to me that there isn't anything really "hidden" by the scans. I think it's a good idea, and I would feel much more confident bidding strongly on a card that has something like this. I also trust PWCC, so when they put their sticker of approval on a card, I do see it as adding value.

Where does it say anything about "the stickers giving assurances that there isn't anything hidden by the scans"? Is there some reason to believe a PQ or HE labeled card doesn't have any creasing? I guess I'm just not understanding what you're saying here.

[bensie]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

Where does it say anything about "the stickers giving assurances that there isn't anything hidden by the scans"? Is there some reason to believe a PQ or HE labeled card doesn't have any creasing? I guess I'm just not understanding what you're saying here.

Well, the presumption is that if you have a stickered PSA 5 vs. a non-stickered PSA 5, the stickered version should present better overall. It's not a guarantee, obviously, but it is an indicator of a higher quality card in the stickered slab. Have you guys never bid up a mid grade card, only to be 'surprised' once you had the card in hand? Creases, card stock anomalies, surface scratches, etc can all be hidden by the scans. In my experience, PWCC cards with the stickers do not have these 'hidden' problems.

Originally Posted by bensie

Well, the presumption is that if you have a stickered PSA 5 vs. a non-stickered PSA 5, the stickered version should present better overall. It's not a guarantee, obviously, but it is an indicator of a higher quality card in the stickered slab. Have you guys never bid up a mid grade card, only to be 'surprised' once you had the card in hand? Creases, card stock anomalies, surface scratches, etc can all be hidden by the scans. In my experience, PWCC cards with the stickers do not have these 'hidden' problems.

And all the anomalies you mentioned could conceivably still exist on a HE or PQ stickered card as my understanding is the sticker is based on eye appeal, not technical grade/actual condition.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

And all the anomalies you mentioned could conceivably still exist on a HE or PQ stickered card as my understanding is the sticker is based on eye appeal, not technical grade/actual condition.

Yah they aren't professional graders, remember.

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Totally agree that eye appeal does matter a great deal. I just don't need PWCC's opinion in that regard, which is obviously totally subjective.

Not buying the fact it is purely subjective. Rampant speculation has always been it's dependent on who the consignor might be.

Originally Posted by bensie

Yes, I understand that you guys trust your own eyes, but when you're buying things off the internet, you can't always see everything on the card. Slight creases are notoriously difficult to notice even in good scans. For example, can you tell me where the crease is in the card below? (hint, it's not the corners) The stickers give assurance to me that there isn't anything really "hidden" by the scans. I think it's a good idea, and I would feel much more confident bidding strongly on a card that has something like this. I also trust PWCC, so when they put their sticker of approval on a card, I do see it as adding value.

That is what the description is for, not what a sticker is for. Add something more to the generic "worthy of attention", or "difficult to improve upon".

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Totally agree that eye appeal does matter a great deal. I just don't need PWCC's opinion in that regard, which is obviously totally subjective.

PSA gives a subjective opinion as well