PWCC-PQ (premium quality)

[Peter_Spaeth]

Yeah. We don't have the qualifications to grade, but we can sure go on and on about our qualifications to tell you about premium quality. Uh, OK.

I can't imagine there will be any politics or favoritism that goes into the PQ designation.

IMO PWCC does a great job selling cards. I wish they would stick to that and not this kind of unnecessary hype or the PWCC 100 index or who knows what's next.

[MattyC]

Wait, Pete: they are grading the “eye appeal”— not the card, LOL.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Is there a PWCC app yet? One that shows you only PWCC cards?

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Is there a PWCC app yet? One that shows you only PWCC cards?

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.......we can make this happen!

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.......we can make this happen!

Dont give them any ideas!

[vintagetoppsguy]

I think I'm going to try and cash in on this idea too. I'm going to have my own high-end sticker/certification. I think I will use a yellow label.

It's going to be called Super High-end Illustrious Top Tier Yellow or SHITTY for short. Before you know it, everyone will want a SHITTY sticker on their card. I'll be rich!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.......we can make this happen!

The app could alert you when a card has hit 80 percent of its expected final value -- which in many cases would be within a few hours of listing.

[MattyC]

They need to give little stars or certificates for making certain bids on their items. That would certainly stimulate bidding even further, from those who need extra third-party validation and a pat on the head... Maybe a little dunce cap logo or something.

That said, a system that in effect overrides PSA grades certainly has some philosophical validity; PSA grades are pretty tragic and too often don't reflect eye appeal whatsoever. It seems every time I search for cards, I find cards in PSA X grade that are thrown beatings by cards a full grade lower.

The dumpster fire is due in part to PSA's changing standards over time. We have cards in slabs from many years ago that look horrid, and much better looking cards graded today can't get the same grade.

End result is more onus on the end buyer/collector to issue the final and most important grade with our wallets.

[Leon]

Barry (hi Barry) and I were talking about this very subject recently. Hobbyist's are becoming more savvy. Just because a TPG says a card is a technical grade doesn't mean it is the best quality or has the best eye appeal, only that it meets the technical criteria for that grade. I almost never buy higher graded cards because I can almost always find a better looking one in a lower grade (cheaper to buy) holder. The registry might actually help us other collectors in that respect. Because those collectors need the point higher more than great looking cards.

As to the subject of another sticker? It's not a big deal to me. It is no more than another point of view on condition where I am the final arbiter for my collection, not anyone else.

Originally Posted by MattyC

They need to give little stars or certificates for making certain bids on their items. That would certainly stimulate bidding even further, from those who need extra third-party validation and a pat on the head... Maybe a little dunce cap logo or something.

That said, a system that in effect overrides PSA grades certainly has some philosophical validity; PSA grades are pretty tragic and too often don't reflect eye appeal whatsoever. It seems every time I search for cards, I find cards in PSA X grade that are thrown beatings by cards a full grade lower.

The dumpster fire is due in part to PSA's changing standards over time. We have cards in slabs from many years ago that look horrid, and much better looking cards graded today can't get the same grade.

End result is more onus on the end buyer/collector to issue the final and most important grade with our wallets.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by MattyC

They need to give little stars or certificates for making certain bids on their items. That would certainly stimulate bidding even further, from those who need extra third-party validation and a pat on the head... Maybe a little dunce cap logo or something.

That said, a system that in effect overrides PSA grades certainly has some philosophical validity; PSA grades are pretty tragic and too often don't reflect eye appeal whatsoever. It seems every time I search for cards, I find cards in PSA X grade that are thrown beatings by cards a full grade lower.

The dumpster fire is due in part to PSA's changing standards over time. We have cards in slabs from many years ago that look horrid, and much better looking cards graded today can't get the same grade.

End result is more onus on the end buyer/collector to issue the final and most important grade with our wallets.

I have yet to see anyone say a card sucks for the grade.

[MonsterCards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Is there a PWCC app yet? One that shows you only PWCC cards?

Yes... eBay

[Peter_Spaeth]

Well done.

[soxandcubbies]

PWCC is just trying to do what any other company tries to do in a bull market: try and take advantage of the situation by adding a couple of levels of hype to the listings. There are so many new collectors out there that they flock to the flame like moths willingly overpaying for cards that most experienced collectors will just watch go by. During the last recession you could fill up a box truck with graded cards, now we're on the other side. Patience and selective buying rules the day.

Jim

[ruth_rookie]

I thought they stickered cards with “high end” when eye appeal far exceeds the technical grade. What is this “premium quality”? Are they doing away with the term “high end”? Or are they different? Can a card get both stickers? What the hell is going on...

[Peter_Spaeth]

HE lives!! PQ must be one step up from HE?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1912-T202-H...wAAOSwQz1bEbcR

Good grief.

One is "superior" one is "exceptional." Well damn.

[drcy]

"This is getting too silly."-- Monty Python

[ruth_rookie]

Won’t be long, the majority of eBay listings will have “premium quality” in the title, and that term will get worn out and annoy the hell out of me like “high end” does.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

"Exceptionaly eye appeal for the issue, rating a 3/3 on our scale"

OK so spelling and grammar aside (really it makes your company look pretty dumb but whatever) how about a definition of "our scale" so we know what the hell "3/3" means. Oh wait, it's meaningless.

[Peter_Spaeth]

So does a 4 on a scale of 3 get a high end?

[gregr2]

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[toledo_mudhen]

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...D977&FORM=VIRE

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by gregr2

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Well done. Maybe that's next, selling advertising space on slabs.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by ruth_rookie

I thought they stickered cards with “high end” when eye appeal far exceeds the technical grade. What is this “premium quality”? Are they doing away with the term “high end”? Or are they different? Can a card get both stickers? What the hell is going on...

From the descriptions of the two linked auctions high end is top 5% of examples, and the new premium quality is top 15% of examples of that card in the same grade.

[bensie]

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/eye-appeal

PQ is one tier below HE

[bostonmarathonman]

Originally Posted by bensie

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/eye-appeal

pq is one tier below he

ok, ty

[iwantitiwinit]

Here's some additional simple math that further says this system is B.S.

If average as defined by pwcc's own website is 50% of the population, shouldn't below average and above average each be 25% of the remaining population (basic normal population curve)? You can further breakdown either or both of those population areas into as many pieces as you want, ie. above average, exceptional, high end, etc. but they should sum to 25% each. PWCC has somehow found it possible and proper to invalidate the immutable tennents of math/statistics by having below average contain only 20% of the population and the entire area deemed higher than average comprise 30% of the population.

[egbeachley]

HE is for the technical grade. PQ is for the eye-appeal. The hobby needs this.

[Anish]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

HE is for the technical grade. PQ is for the eye-appeal. The hobby needs this.

No...they both refer to eye appeal

As a consignor, I’m glad to see them do everything possible to maximize sales. As a buyer, I don’t care how they label anything (or how a grader grades anything).

[KCRfan1]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

From the descriptions of the two linked auctions high end is top 5% of examples, and the new premium quality is top 15% of examples of that card in the same grade.

But could the two be combined together forming : High End Premium Quality?

This could be the top 5% of the 5% of the 15% of examples of the card within the same grade.

[iwantitiwinit]

This is such b.s., how can you know something is the top 20% or 15%, etc. of a certain population unless you have the entire population in front of you at one time to evaluate.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit

This is such b.s., how can you know something is the top 20% or 15%, etc. of a certain population unless you have the entire population in front of you at one time to evaluate.

No point trying to bring reason or logic to bear on this. This is marketing hype pure and simple and bs is the currency of marketing.

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit

This is such b.s., how can you know something is the top 20% or 15%, etc. of a certain population unless you have the entire population in front of you at one time to evaluate.

Exactly....A complete marketing joke!