someone explain the new card market?

WillBBC · #1 05-30-2018, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't understand why these Bowman minor league cards are so expensive when the 80s and 90s minor league cards, also sometimes issued years before the ML rookie cards, sell for next to nothing.

Example, you could probably pick up a Mint 1986 Palm Beach Randy Johnson, a top 10 or so all time pitcher, three years before his RCs, for under $100. And the pops are nothing compared to the Bowmans I would imagine.

Bowman is one of those legacy sets and Bowman Chrome/Topps Chrome in basketball are looked at as the most important cards for modern players.

SP Authentic has the same weight in hockey. There will always be a premium for these sets.

When Bowman Chrome came out in '97, Jose Cruz, Jr. was the biggest name in baseball prospecting. Did he pan out, not really-but people went absolutely crazy to see Chrome and Refractor versions of his cards. It never slowed down!

packs · #2 05-30-2018, 11:53 AM

The Bowman cards generally go for the most money because of their "First Card" status. Usually the Bowman Chrome or Bowman Draft set is the first appearance any player has in a card set as a "professional" which is why other minor league and Team USA cards are way cheaper even if they technically came out first. You can have Bryce Harper's Team USA autos for a significant discount over his Bowman rookie even though the USA cards were issued much earlier. Same goes for Kershaw, Scherzer, etc.

homerunderby · #3 05-30-2018, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by WillBBC

Bowman is one of those legacy sets and Bowman Chrome/Topps Chrome in basketball are looked at as the most important cards for modern players.

SP Authentic has the same weight in hockey. There will always be a premium for these sets.

When Bowman Chrome came out in '97, Jose Cruz, Jr. was the biggest name in baseball prospecting. Did he pan out, not really-but people went absolutely crazy to see Chrome and Refractor versions of his cards. It never slowed down!

I've seen a lot of hype in the past 40 years I've been collecting. Never saw the sense in chasing these cards, not my thing. I figure for every Mike Trout that you could score on, there are 100 Alex Rios'. Everyone in my generation was going to retire on Roger Clemens, Don Mattingly and Darryl Strawberry rookies, didn't work out so well. Most of these cards, especially graded cards where the guy didn't pan out, are less than worthless.

Neal · #4 05-30-2018, 06:52 PM

Soto is an apparent stud. So was Joe Charboneau for that matter �.

The modern card market is fast and furious. People made a boatload on Judge last year, and this year Torres could be the new guy.

Unless Soto gets three hits in one game �. then the price skyrockets lol

Want to make extra money on a Trout you are looking to sell? List it after a home run!

Dpeck100 · #5 05-31-2018, 11:10 AM

When I was a kid in 1985 Dwight Gooden rookies jumped up to $15 or so. There were millions of copies from the three card manufactures and they still brought 30 times what a pack cost.

Fast forward to today and the production totals are a fraction and while the demand is not as high for the product you get similar explosive results that are just wildly exaggerated per card because of scarcity.

If you look at this from a purely financial perspective let's say you have 1 million copies of the 1985 Topps Dwight Gooden mentioned above. It has a market cap of $15 million. From a quick EBAY search it looks like there are roughly 1,000 Mike Trout Bowman Refractor's from the various copies in total. Lets assume a $15,000 average price. You once again have a $15 million dollar market cap.

Peter_Spaeth · #6 05-31-2018, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dpeck100

When I was a kid in 1985 Dwight Gooden rookies jumped up to $15 or so. There were millions of copies from the three card manufactures and they still brought 30 times what a pack cost.

Fast forward to today and the production totals are a fraction and while the demand is not as high for the product you get similar explosive results that are just wildly exaggerated per card because of scarcity.

If you look at this from a purely financial perspective let's say you have 1 million copies of the 1985 Topps Dwight Gooden mentioned above. It has a market cap of $15 million. From a quick EBAY search it looks like there are roughly 1,000 Mike Trout Bowman Refractor's from the various copies in total. Lets assume a $15,000 average price. You once again have a $15 million dollar market cap.

Yes, but there were maybe one or two other Gooden rookies. There are probably 500 other varieties of Trout rookies that were massively produced.

Neal · #7 05-31-2018, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yes, but there were maybe one or two other Gooden rookies. There are probably 500 other varieties of Trout rookies that were massively produced.

The Update has a huge print run, but not the variations of the card. Some of those are extremely limited. Then you have the "boutique" issues like Sterling and Finest (to a lesser extent) where the run is limited on base and refractors are numbered. Comparing Trout RCs to some 80s RCs is a stretch imo �.

The Update could easily go the way of the 89 UD Griffey, but I think this could very well be a $500 card in PSA 10 and perhaps even settle at that level. For the record, if it hits 500 I'm a seller lol!

packs · #8 05-31-2018, 02:31 PM

There are really only a few products that carry any value though: Bowman, Topps Heritage, Topps Pro Debut and Topps regular series cards. The Finest and Sterling, Panini, Donruss, etc. don't hold a ton of value. But Trout's Elite Extra cards do sell for a pretty decent price too.

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