Poll: State of the Vintage Market Summer 2018

[SAllen2556]

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Could someone please explain this?? About a 40% drop from '09 to March '18. With another 25% drop from March to May '18. I find this alarming......or fantastic - I'm not sure.

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[mechanicalman]

Originally Posted by SAllen2556

Same card:
Could someone please explain this?? About a 40% drop from '09 to March '18. With another 25% drop from March to May '18. I find this alarming......or fantastic - I'm not sure.

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Quite the drop. I used to collect E95, and I noticed that prices on e-cards appeared much stronger in the late aughts. Might have also received a nice bump from the consignor/AH as it was sold through Legendary.

The most recent dip could have been explained by a bad image when compared to the one used by jcvintage.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by SAllen2556

Same card:
Could someone please explain this?? About a 40% drop from '09 to March '18. With another 25% drop from March to May '18. I find this alarming......or fantastic - I'm not sure.

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I collect blue chip HOFers and I recently got into E Cards (from t206). Before embarking on an E-Card expedition, I did a deep dive into the market place for Players like Cobb, Wagner, Ruth, Young, Jackson, Plank, Matty. It became very clear that across the board, prices for these E Cards peeked in about 2008, and the same cards are trading at 40%-60% of their 2008 highs. I posted a thread about this asking why, and the two main explanations I received were (1) a few major collectors competing for the same cards and driving up prices and now those collectors are not there, (2) shilling in auctions like Mastro and Legendary (as Sam seems to suggest). BTW- I include confectionary cards in this group as “E Cards”.

That said, I have noticed lately that pries for E, D and T cards of the blue chip HOFers have really gone up; it’s not just t206. In fact, in some cases prices begin to push 2008 highs, which is concerning (I think). Same is true for rarer issues of T Cards, like t204, t213 - t216 (indeed, I just recently gladly paid a shit-ton for a rare t214 victory tris speaker).

The Matty discussed above does not fit this model, but look what has happened with the 1914 CJ Matty. I believe the market for total blue chip HOFers, regardless of card (T, E, Confectionary, post card) is super strong, and the rarer the card, the stronger the market.

[Exhibitman]

I really don't think we fully appreciate the impact of the Mastro-Legendary fraud and the price manipulation of last year. They created some significant distortions.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

I really don't think we fully appreciate the impact of the Mastro-Legendary fraud and the price manipulation of last year. They created some significant distortions.

Yeah, not to mention a guy who was just found guilty of fraud by a jury who countless people who have held up on this Board as the paragon of virtue in the industry. He who cannot be named. Like Voldemort. Hell, what's a jury verdict among friends.

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I collect blue chip HOFers and I recently got into E Cards (from t206). Before embarking on an E-Card expedition, I did a deep dive into the market place for Players like Cobb, Wagner, Ruth, Young, Jackson, Plank, Matty. It became very clear that across the board, prices for these E Cards peeked in about 2008, and the same cards are trading at 40%-60% of their 2008 highs. I posted a thread about this asking why, and the two main explanations I received were (1) a few major collectors competing for the same cards and driving up prices and now those collectors are not there, (2) shilling in auctions like Mastro and Legendary (as Sam seems to suggest). BTW- I include confectionary cards in this group as “E Cards”.

That said, I have noticed lately that pries for E, D and T cards of the blue chip HOFers have really gone up; it’s not just t206. In fact, in some cases prices begin to push 2008 highs, which is concerning (I think). Same is true for rarer issues of T Cards, like t204, t213 - t216 (indeed, I just recently gladly paid a shit-ton for a rare t214 victory tris speaker).

The Matty discussed above does not fit this model, but look what has happened with the 1914 CJ Matty. I believe the market for total blue chip HOFers, regardless of card (T, E, Confectionary, post card) is super strong, and the rarer the card, the stronger the market.

100% accurate! Especially when rarity is associated with what I call the hobby’s “Big Eight” (Ruth, Cobb, Wagner, Matty, Johnson, Joe Jax, Gehrig & Cy Young).