1956 Mantle PSA 5....What is this sticker?? (Purple Label Company)

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Paul S

Except for the corners, staining and centering, it could have been a 2!

you missed three spider wrinkles on the bottom......horrible card to get a sticker.

[ruth_rookie]

I was his first customer and got 2 for 2...

all kidding aside, there's no doubt that all 5's are not equal. Nor 6's. Nor 7's, etc. The question is "are people willing to pay for a third party to make that assessment?" we've already paid good money to have it graded, and now we pay again. not sure what the answer is. only time and the market will tell. can't blame someone for giving it a go, however. I wish you luck in your new endeavor. who knows, maybe it will pan out.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by ruth_rookie

I was his first customer and got 2 for 2...

all kidding aside, there's no doubt that all 5's are not equal. Nor 6's. Nor 7's, etc. The question is "are people willing to pay for a third party to make that assessment?" we've already paid good money to have it graded, and now we pay again. not sure what the answer is. only time and the market will tell. can't blame someone for giving it a go, however. I wish you luck in your new endeavor. who knows, maybe it will pan out.

He's GOT to do a better job if he wants people to take him seriously. The 1956 Mantle with the star as well as the Johnny Bench rookie with the star are absolute jokes. Shoot, you can also say the 1965 Pete Rose PSA 9 with the star is a joke too...what is it gonna get, a '10'??? I don't think so. I can show him some cards to look so good for the grade it will make his head spin.

[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I can show him some cards to look so good for the grade it will make his head spin.

Those are the ones you need to send in to him to get the Purple Sticker!! Go for it man!

[Leon]

These folks are doing pre-war too so the thread was moved to the main page for discussion (as requested in the other thread)

Originally Posted by ruth_rookie

I was his first customer and got 2 for 2...

all kidding aside, there's no doubt that all 5's are not equal. Nor 6's. Nor 7's, etc. The question is "are people willing to pay for a third party to make that assessment?" we've already paid good money to have it graded, and now we pay again. not sure what the answer is. only time and the market will tell. can't blame someone for giving it a go, however. I wish you luck in your new endeavor. who knows, maybe it will pan out.

[mq711]

Would be a nice touch to add exact centering numbers to such a service; 50/50 or 70/30 T/B would be more beneficial than another opinion of an already graded card, at least to me.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Just makes me laugh that most of the arguments against the service are the self-same arguments against tpg's lo those many years ago.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Just makes me laugh that most of the arguments against the service are the self-same arguments against tpg's lo those many years ago.

I see your point....but what if we get graders grading the graders who are grading the graders (see what I did there)? At what point do you draw the line?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I didn't say I disagree with the comments that made me laugh, but then again I was one of the scoffers the first time around so don't look to me for intelligence!

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I see your point....but what if we get graders grading the graders who are grading the graders (see what I did there)? At what point do you draw the line?

I like listening to Elvis Costello singing about a woman who is watching the detectives.

I also like this line from a more recent song from another group: "He took the mirrors off his Cadillac...because he don't like looking like he looks back."

Brian (this Poor/Fair post deserves a purple star!)

[Rookiemonster]

Originally Posted by ruth_rookie

I was his first customer and got 2 for 2...

all kidding aside, there's no doubt that all 5's are not equal. Nor 6's. Nor 7's, etc. The question is "are people willing to pay for a third party to make that assessment?" we've already paid good money to have it graded, and now we pay again. not sure what the answer is. only time and the market will tell. can't blame someone for giving it a go, however. I wish you luck in your new endeavor. who knows, maybe it will pan out.

Congrats one the big green stars ! They look great on the holder! I would give those green stars a purple star.

[Rich Klein]

I saw a thread on the post-war board which said: Show me your under-graded cards.

Here is the link to that thread which is currently running:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=250623

In addition, how often do we as a group note: "That card has great eye appeal for a 1" or "Looks like a higher grade to me".

I can not make any assumptions about the creator of this site but to me, it sounds hypocritical to complain about something like this if we ourselves constantly brag about such cards. He is looking for an underserved part of the market and I understand the point. Now, we may not agree on the specific cards but if we're going to disagree -- it needs to be on the concept first.

Rich

[Peter_Spaeth]

That's the whole point Rich. We can judge these things for ourselves, we don't need a sticker.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

That's the whole point Rich. We can judge these things for ourselves, we don't need a sticker.

Especially if the sticker is going to be erroneously applied. Can you REALLY with a straight face tell me that Johnny Bench rookie PSA 1 is undergraded??? Seriosuly???????????????

[2dueces]

If only this service was available for rating women.
A purple sticker would have saved me around $1M
and 2 divorces.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Especially if the sticker is going to be erroneously applied. Can you REALLY with a straight face tell me that Johnny Bench rookie PSA 1 is undergraded??? Seriosuly???????????????

Maybe they are trying the PSA model. Have horrible customer service, be very inconsistent in grading, and take your sweet time delivering your product. It worked for PSA just look at the sheeple line up to highly overpay for their magic plastic holders that sometimes have the correct grade.

The purple sticker gentleman is just trying to fix a small percentage of their mistakes. Now he just needs to get it on a ton of slabs so everyone will depend on the Purple Sticker like they do PSA slabs for their collection to have any value.

[toledo_mudhen]

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

That's the whole point Rich. We can judge these things for ourselves, we don't need a sticker.

WE Can tell; not everyone who buys cards is as well-educated as we are. I will repeat what I said, and this is not whether I believe he is doing good work or not. For some people; having that sticker makes sense and the market is not being serviced for this type of situation.

If he does a good job, people will use the service. If not, the service will go away. But it is something not currently done in the marketplace and as such does make sense as a new opportunity for a business.

I remember having breakfast with Roger Neufelt before a Philly show maybe 12-15 years ago and this is when PSA had not yet created the .5. His point at the time was a PSA 8 could be a 7.51 to an 8.50. Using that logic, an card which we would now grade 8.5 was graded an 8 and thus qualifies for that purple sticker.

[bensie]

Originally Posted by ruth_rookie

I was his first customer and got 2 for 2...

all kidding aside, there's no doubt that all 5's are not equal. Nor 6's. Nor 7's, etc. The question is "are people willing to pay for a third party to make that assessment?" we've already paid good money to have it graded, and now we pay again. not sure what the answer is. only time and the market will tell. can't blame someone for giving it a go, however. I wish you luck in your new endeavor. who knows, maybe it will pan out.

Well, the thing that really confuses me is if you have a '6' with a purple sticker, that implies that it's possibly undergraded, right? So maybe a '7', but not quite. Well, isn't that what the PSA half grades are for? So a '6' with a sticker means that the card is actually a '6.25'? Seems like a stupid idea, and I'd actually pay less for a purple sticker card since I'd have to spend effort removing that ugly purple piece of crap.

[Marchillo]

In theory I don’t think it’s a bad concept. Not every 5 is the same not every 6 is the same etc. I see people on eBay and on BST say their cards are undergraded. So if you don’t want to regrade here is the alternative. My question is how is the sticker determined. Does the company have flaw preferences? Does a card that is centered get a sticker despite having dinged corners and a small wrinkle versus an oc card that has nicer corners and no wrinkles?

The other thing I’ll say is I don’t think this works as a mail in service. I mail in 10 cards I feel are undergraded and get 3 stickers. So I pay $50 for these 3 stickers. Plus shipping etc. seems to me this would work better as an in person service. Charge $1 or $2 for rejects and $5 for the sticker. Not sure if that is profitable enough. Plus you might get a lot of pissed off people who disagree with the rejection of their undergraded cards.

I don’t think I’d personally use the service but based on some of the complaints I see for TPGs I understand the concept.

[robkas68]

Could we have a yellow sticker for every overgraded card. Or perhaps multiple colors. If the card got a 7 but deserves a 6 it could be yellow. If it deserved a 5 it could be orange. If it should have been graded authentic altered it could be red with the letters WTF printed on the sticker. Now that would be a valuable service.

[iwantitiwinit]

Here's an idea lets slab the slab with a purple label rather than purple sticker so it can't be removed. Then in a few years we can make it a black label rather than purple to require resubmission of the slab-slab. Then make a different slab size to require another re-submission for slab-slab, etc. Oh the HUMANITY. This is ridiculous.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit

Here's an idea lets slab the slab with a purple label rather than purple sticker so it can't be removed. Then in a few years we can make it a black label rather than purple to require resubmission of the slab-slab. Then make a different slab size to require another re-submission for slab-slab, etc. Oh the HUMANITY. This is ridiculous.

You forgot.....then introduce QUARTER grades.....and then the ever elusive 9.5!!!