1956 Mantle PSA 5....What is this sticker?? (Purple Label Company)

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by larrydavidfan33

I still don't understand what the sticker means and what I do once I get it ? Is a sticker card guaranteed to gain a point ? Does it sell for more ? Is this even legal ?

What would make you question the legality of placing a sticker on a graded card?

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

What would make you question the legality of placing a sticker on a graded card?

Well, if PWCC patented the "High End" sticker designation, I am not sure someone else can put stickers on cards? Hell, I guess if PWCC did no such thing, we could ALL put stickers and smiley faces and anything else we want on cards to see if they will sell for more.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I very much doubt a sticker saying High End is patentable. Or did I miss a sarcasm font.

[Exhibitman]

A sticker for the really choice cards:

[pokerplyr80]

Yea I could maybe see a trademark for the phrase certified high end as it relates to cards. But I doubt they could patent the stickers. As for this new company I wish you luck but can't imagine many will be paying for this "service." I know I wont be.

Thanks to those who have contributed to this thread hope I didn't start something here ? No offense to any veterans for asking green questions....Seems like a lot of passion im a happy new club54 member!! it's cool to have such a reservoir of knowledge at fingertips

[steve B]

I haven't really decided on what I think about this.

With Coins, the Company is CAC, and they do provide a decent service. Coins have been graded for longer than cards, with all the same issues (shouldn't be a surprise right)
They've been graded for so long, that the "standards" have slipped for several years now, some of it is a need for "new" coins in an acceptable grade, some of it is a lack of coins that are all that great in middle grades. So a VG say 20 years ago would get a better grade today. (Not my opinion, I got that from an article by a very long time dealer. ) So a sticker from CAC actually in most cases does mean "if graded today it will probably grade higher"

I don't see quite the same dynamic in cards. Overall, cards are probably at a point where the standards have tightened up a bit. So I'm thinking that right now it isn't really necessary.
But.........someday it will be. Maybe sooner than later, there's close to 30 years of grading, and the standards have evolved as well as the way they're applied.
PSA got where they are by being "first" (Not actually, but first with some features and certainly first with good marketing)
So if a similar service to CAC is going to happen, and it will (Just did!) It's probably a good business move to start it now.

Now if only there was a sticker for "darn, they totally blew that one "......

[bobbyw8469]

My main problem is the guy in charge of the grading applying the stickers to his own inventory, on cards that obviously don't deserve it. For that, I can't take this venture seriously. Maybe we need someone to grade the people that are grading the graders (tongue in cheek).

[steve B]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

My main problem is the guy in charge of the grading applying the stickers to his own inventory, on cards that obviously don't deserve it. For that, I can't take this venture seriously. Maybe we need someone to grade the people that are grading the graders (tongue in cheek).

Yeah, there is that.

I'm not sure how someone with a new company connected to grading would start though.
Do your own cards? - Yeah, there's some conflict there.
Have a friend let you do some cards? -Essentially the same problem
Advertise and see what business you get? - I'm not sure you'd get anyone without at least something to show them.

I've had a few ideas about grading for years now, realistically, I'm way too disorganized to make it work.
If I did give it a try though, I'd do a few of my own, but with a special serial number indicating that they were for testing/promotional purposes so they wouldn't be in the database as cards done in regular business.

Neither of the stickers currently out there have much if any separation from the people putting them on.

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by steve B

I haven't really decided on what I think about this.

With Coins, the Company is CAC, and they do provide a decent service. Coins have been graded for longer than cards, with all the same issues (shouldn't be a surprise right)
They've been graded for so long, that the "standards" have slipped for several years now, some of it is a need for "new" coins in an acceptable grade, some of it is a lack of coins that are all that great in middle grades. So a VG say 20 years ago would get a better grade today. (Not my opinion, I got that from an article by a very long time dealer. ) So a sticker from CAC actually in most cases does mean "if graded today it will probably grade higher"

I don't see quite the same dynamic in cards. Overall, cards are probably at a point where the standards have tightened up a bit. So I'm thinking that right now it isn't really necessary.
But.........someday it will be. Maybe sooner than later, there's close to 30 years of grading, and the standards have evolved as well as the way they're applied.
PSA got where they are by being "first" (Not actually, but first with some features and certainly first with good marketing)
So if a similar service to CAC is going to happen, and it will (Just did!) It's probably a good business move to start it now.

The big thing in CAC's favor is that it was started by John Albanese, who is a long-time and well respected member of the numismatic community. He has the "credentials"; coin collectors know who he is, and they respect his opinion.

In the case of "Purple Label LLC", who is Greg Campbell? I've been a member of the baseball card community since the 1970s, going to shows, subscribed to Sports Collectors' Digest, The Trader Speaks, Baseball Hobby News, Baseball Cards Magazine, Beckett....., I've been a member of both the CU and Network54 message boards for several years, have bought from/placed bids with most of the major auction houses/dealers, and I have never heard of Greg Campbell anywhere until this thread.

It seems to me, to start something like CAC in the sports card community, and be successful, you should have immediate name recognition; someone like Brent Huigens, Steve Hart, Kit Young, Levi Bleam, Bill Goodwin, Dave Kohler; i.e., someone who has been around for years/decades, and who is known and respected in the community. To me, this Greg Campbell doesn't fit the bill.

Steve

[steve B]

That's a really interesting point Steve.

I've collected coins longer than I've collected cards, but with a lot more and longer "vacations" from the hobby. Started coins as a kid, figure around 1970, maybe/probably a bit earlier. Didn't start cards until 73-4 and got more into it in 77. Actually did both plus stamps plus other stuff off and on for a while. Without much budget of course.

With all the time I've taken off from coins, I don't really know who anyone is aside from maybe a few of the really long term people that write for the magazines.

That instant credibility vs relative obscurity is probably going to be a key thing going forward. And it may end up being regional, someone well known in Mass might not be well known in Cal.

Originally Posted by Steve D

The big thing in CAC's favor is that it was started by John Albanese, who is a long-time and well respected member of the numismatic community. He has the "credentials"; coin collectors know who he is, and they respect his opinion.

In the case of "Purple Label LLC", who is Greg Campbell? I've been a member of the baseball card community since the 1970s, going to shows, subscribed to Sports Collectors' Digest, The Trader Speaks, Baseball Hobby News, Baseball Cards Magazine, Beckett....., I've been a member of both the CU and Network54 message boards for several years, have bought from/placed bids with most of the major auction houses/dealers, and I have never heard of Greg Campbell anywhere until this thread.

It seems to me, to start something like CAC in the sports card community, and be successful, you should have immediate name recognition; someone like Brent Huigens, Steve Hart, Kit Young, Levi Bleam, Bill Goodwin, Dave Kohler; i.e., someone who has been around for years/decades, and who is known and respected in the community. To me, this Greg Campbell doesn't fit the bill.

Steve