Connie Mack's big mistake. Trading away Joe Jackson. Let's see some cards.

[mybuddyinc]

I don't have any cards to show, as Mack, Jackson, and Bris Lord are not T206s ....

But I have to agree with Ted's analysis that Mack thought Philly was to big and sophisticated for Jackson (and that may have been correct, even in the long run).

Now, I don't want to get into a "Philly Fight" with Ted, but I do want to mention two things .....

1 -- Harry Davis did go to Girard College. However, GC is actually a grade (1-12) preparatory school. It was founded in the 1820s as the second public school in America. It was founded for poor, orphaned males that showed promise in life. Davis' father died when he was 5, and his mother got him into GC, were he was an exceptional student and athlete. GC is still very active, and if you're ever in Phil. it's worth a visit, as it is a beautiful campus with great history.

2 -- As a Dickinson College alumni (1982), I wish I could say Bender went to DC. However he attended Carlisle Indian School, located in Carlisle PA, as is DC. Now Bender did take a few DC classes open to CIS students at the time, and he did pitch for DC on occasion. However, that was frowned upon, and he usually got suspended a game or two by CIS for doing so.

Also to add to list: Eddie Collins -- Columbia. Fun fact -- Collins clandestinely played for A's in 1906 as Eddie Sullivan, as he was still at Columbia , and that wouldn't have gone over to well in the Ivy's.

Always fun, Scott

[tedzan]

1912 Philadelphia Caramel (E96)






TED Z

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[Bpm0014]

Hi Brendan

Eddie Plank (at age 22) enrolled in Gettysburg Academy, a prep school under the auspices of Gettysburg College. Plank never attended the College, but
played on the team. Frank Foreman was the coach of the Gettysburg College team. When Foreman saw Plank's unorthodox delivery, he promised Plank
"Follow my instructions closely, I will make you one of the greatest southpaws in the country." Foreman had turned Plank into that rarest of pitchers, a
cross-firing southpaw with outstanding control of his curve and fastball. Connie Mack recruited Plank directly from Gettysburg College.

Great info, thanks!

[tedzan]

Hey guys,

OK, I wil give this subject one more try. It really "bugs" me that Joe Jackson never got a chance to prove himself to Connie Mack
and his "elitist" A's teammates with Philadelphia. Why a smart Manager like Connie Mack traded away one of the most promising
rookies ever to play the game is mind boggling. To add insult to injury, Joe Jackson was traded for Bris Lord (a .256 career hitter).
Furthermore, Bris Lord played for the A's in 1905-1907. Mack traded him to Cleveland. And, Connie Mack very seldom re-acquired
players that he had traded away. So, this trade (Joe Jax for Bris Lord) absolutely does not make any sense.
Or does it in a strange way ?
One factor in this ridiculous trade that I feel played a role was "northern prejudice" towards ballplayers who grew up in the "Deep
South" (Al, Ga, Ms, SC). Ty Cobb is a prime example of this prejudice. However, Cobb knew how to deal with it......Joe Jax did not.
You can check this out: 390 unique ballplayers are featured in the T206 set. Less than a dozen of them grew up in the Deep South.

Here's my only card of Bris Lord (an E104). Same exact card as is in the T208 Cullivan's Fireside set. Quite obviously, this image is
NOT that of Bristol Lord. But, it is that of Sherry Magee. If anyone on this forum has a real card of Bris Lord, please post it here.







TED Z

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[Rhotchkiss]

Cool thread Ted. I dont have any Connie Mack cards, but here are my two Joe Jacksons -- and that M101-4 Ware's is just awesome!

[x2drich2000]

No Jacksons, but I did pick up a new Mack not too long ago.



DJ

[h2oya311]

Nice Pinkerton DJ! Me like-y.

Here's my 1915 Postaco Stamp of Mr. Mack:

[T206Collector]

Just a wee bit off-center...

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by mybuddyinc

I don't have any cards to show, as Mack, Jackson, and Bris Lord are not T206s ....

But I have to agree with Ted's analysis that Mack thought Philly was to big and sophisticated for Jackson (and that may have been correct, even in the long run).

Now, I don't want to get into a "Philly Fight" with Ted, but I do want to mention two things .....

1 -- Harry Davis did go to Girard College. However, GC is actually a grade (1-12) preparatory school. It was founded in the 1820s as the second public school in America. It was founded for poor, orphaned males that showed promise in life. Davis' father died when he was 5, and his mother got him into GC, were he was an exceptional student and athlete. GC is still very active, and if you're ever in Phil. it's worth a visit, as it is a beautiful campus with great history.

2 -- As a Dickinson College alumni (1982), I wish I could say Bender went to DC. However he attended Carlisle Indian School, located in Carlisle PA, as is DC. Now Bender did take a few DC classes open to CIS students at the time, and he did pitch for DC on occasion. However, that was frowned upon, and he usually got suspended a game or two by CIS for doing so.

Also to add to list: Eddie Collins -- Columbia. Fun fact -- Collins clandestinely played for A's in 1906 as Eddie Sullivan, as he was still at Columbia , and that wouldn't have gone over to well in the Ivy's.

Always fun, Scott

Hi Scott

Very interesting stuff....thanks for chiming in here.


I often visit the nearby Philadelphia A's Historical Society. Twelve years ago, the guest speaker at their annual brunch was Connie Mack III.
He kept us mesmerized for 2 hours talking about his famous Grandfather. Afterwards, I had a chance to talk with him. A really friendly guy,
we talked for about 1/2 hour. We covered a lot of A's baseball (1901 - 1953). He signed my 1950 A's Golden Jubilee Program.







TED Z

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