T206 Reference / Reflections.....Tuesday Nite Trivia

[tedzan]

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It's interesting to look back on what our thinking was regarding the Wagner, Plank, Magie, and Joe Doyle Nat'L cards 12+ years ago.

Check-out this Net54 thread (Oct 8, 2005)...... http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=78693

It is early Net54 threads (such as this one) that "sparked" our imagination and research which have resulted in developing a keen
understanding of the complexities of the T206 "Monster".

Any one here want to reminisce some more about this subject......feel free to chime in.


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[tedzan]

This quiz involves 2 ballplayers which were not featured in the T206 set.

Although, they should have been in this set.

Can you identify these 2 guys ? And, explain the strange situation why they were traded for each other ? ?


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[rats60]

Originally Posted by tedzan

This quiz involves 2 ballplayers which were not featured in the T206 set.

Although, they should have been in this set.

Can you identify these 2 guys ? And, explain the strange situation why they were traded for each other ? ?


TED Z
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Bris Lord and Joe Jackson?

[nat]

Just looked up that deal. Who would have thought that Joe Jackson would be a player to be named later?

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by rats60

Bris Lord and Joe Jackson?

You correctly guessed the 2 ballplayers that were involved in one of the most bizarre trades in BB history.

Email me and we'll talk about the T206 card which I will send you..... tedzan11@comcast.net




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Bristol Lord traded (July 23, 1910) by the Cleveland Naps to the Philadelphia A's for a player to be named later. July 30, 1910, the Philadelphia A's
sent Shoeless Joe Jackson to the Cleveland Naps to complete the trade.


Connie Mack was a great Manager with a keen talent for recruiting some great ballplayers (especially from the College ranks) for 50 years.
However, Connie Mack certainly did not give Shoeless Joe a chance to show his extraordinary hitting ability with the A's.





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[tedzan]

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Connie Mack believed that ballplayers in College received better training **......than the ones in the Minor League Farm system.
Connie had a keen sense of talent, and he (and his brother) would scout out young recruits from College campuses.
Here is a list of the A's in the T206 set who started on College teams......


Jack Barry (Holy Cross)
Chief Bender (Dickinson)
Eddie Collins (Columbia)
Harry Davis (Girard College)
Harry Krause (St Mary's College)
Simon Nicholls (Maryland)
Eddie Plank (Gettysburg College)
Doc Powers (Holy Cross)

and, missing from the T206 set
Andy Coakley (Holy Cross)
Jack Coombs (Colby College)......(1910 W-L = 31-9, ERA = 1.30)



** Note....Connie Mack (the Early Years of Baseball), Norman Macht

Hey guys....I highly recommend this book.
While reading it, you'll imagine the guys in your T206 set come alive. Almost every player from that era is covered in this book.


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[slipk1068]

I read somewhere that Connie Mack knew exactly what he had in Joe Jackson. He basically gave him away as a gift to Charles Somers, owner of the Cleveland Naps.

Without Somers support, the American League would have folded in its early years. Around 1910, Somers was struggling financially, so Connie Mack sent him Joe Jackson as a gift. There should probably be a Charles Somers monument in every American League ballpark

I don't remember where I read this, but I believe it was Connie Mack's own words. Maybe someone else can confirm this?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by slipk1068

Without Somers support, the American League would have folded in its early years. Around 1910, Somers was struggling financially, so Connie Mack sent him Joe Jackson as a gift. There should probably be a Charles Somers monument in every American League ballpark

If this is true there should be a Connie Mack statue in every American Ballpark. Except perhaps Chicago, where Joe Jackson's tenure didn't end well.

Still, if they could keep Comiskey's name on the ballpark for 80 more years, perhaps they've forgiven Jackson as well.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by slipk1068

I read somewhere that Connie Mack knew exactly what he had in Joe Jackson. He basically gave him away as a gift to Charles Somers, owner of the Cleveland Naps.

Without Somers support, the American League would have folded in its early years. Around 1910, Somers was struggling financially, so Connie Mack sent him Joe Jackson as a gift. There should probably be a Charles Somers monument in every American League ballpark

I don't remember where I read this, but I believe it was Connie Mack's own words. Maybe someone else can confirm this?

David
With all due respect to you, I cannot buy this bit regarding the American League folding. In the first decade of the 20th Century, the American League under the command
of Ban Johnson outdrew the National League in attendance by wide margins.
For example, check out these headlines of Opening Day at Shibe Park (April 12 1909) in Philadelphia..........................





Shoeless Joe Jackson's performance with Greenville (.346) in 1908, and Savannah (.358) in 1909 impressed Connie Mack. However, Joe Jax just couldn't "hack" it playing
with the College bred guys on the A's. In part, because some of them were not too kind to this "rebel rookie" who they considered "illiterate".
Believe it or not....some were still "fighting the Civil War in the beginning of the 20th Century. You can check-out this fact....during the T206 era there were very few Major
Leaguers that hailed from the "Deep South" (SC, GA, ALA, Miss). Of course, Ty Cobb was one, and therein lies a lot of his problems.

Connie Mack saw a chance to recover Bristol Lord from the Cleveland Naps, so he traded away Joe Jax. Very quickly, Joe's Cleveland teammates took a liking to him and his
performance reflected this as he batted .408 in 1911.

That's the story, as I understand it.


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