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Old 04-14-2018, 04:47 PM
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Bottom line is that PSA is more respected and someday my kids will have to sell this stuff so I'm just more comfortable with PSA.
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Old 04-14-2018, 07:19 PM
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Bottom line is that PSA is more respected and someday my kids will have to sell this stuff so I'm just more comfortable with PSA.
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Old 04-14-2018, 09:41 PM
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I know which card you're referring to. If that dealer took PayPal or credit cards, it would have been mine. Someone else bought it. Very nicely centered example and great price.
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Old 04-14-2018, 10:28 PM
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Bottom line is that PSA is more respected and someday my kids will have to sell this stuff so I'm just more comfortable with PSA.
And after you spend the money to cross it, even assuming it crosses, what's your gain on a PSA 5 over an SGC 5.5? I would think not much.
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Old 04-15-2018, 06:04 AM
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Again, crackouts are not without risk as well. You could lose 90% of your investment if the card is determined to be trimmed or minsiz after broken out of a number slab. You could also damage the card during the process.
The higher value card, the more likely I am to send for crossover rather than cracked out raw.
All depends on your personal risk tolerance.
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Don't they crack the card out to grade it for crossover? The risk is all still there either way. I guess except for the damaging the card, but that's happened plenty of times by TPGs.
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No, they review the card inside the slab. If it meets the min grade requested, then and only then do they crack it out (or unseal it with a device most collectors don't own). If it doesn't meet the min grade, you get it back in the original slab.
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I could be wrong but I don't think they will crack it out unless they have determined it will cross. Which I don't understand, because it seems to me direct examination of the edges which can't be done in the holder is important in some cases.
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How do the TPGs crack out a card ? What device do they use ?
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How do the TPGs crack out a card ? What device do they use ?
Im guessing similar tools that any of us use...which is one reason cards get damaged by them.
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A chainsaw.
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Bottom line is that PSA is more respected and someday my kids will have to sell this stuff so I'm just more comfortable with PSA.
Today yes. In the future? Maybe, maybe not.

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It's only a matter of time before some mainstream media nerd with a baseball card fetish gets a hold of an expose assignment and PSA gets put through the wringer.
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Don't underestimate the resilience of PSA or how entrenched it is among collectors. They have survived a lot already -- the Wagner, the WIWAG scandal, the rebacked Plank they graded that was revealed in the Mastro proceeding, the Mexican cards, lots of other stuff too.
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