Conlon Photo Need Some Help

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by Dewey

Baseball Magazine itself started in 1908. But not sure when the Spalding Guide/Baseball Magazine stamp dates to. It is not cataloged in Yee, Fogel, et al. There have been fakes of that stamp. Though it looks different than the one here: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=193601)

There was a Baseball Magazine Ty Cobb edition in 1912, I think.

I'm pretty sure the stamp is genuine. It is the brown/red color of the original version of the stamp (as opposed to the blue of the fakes) and the exterior frame of the stamp is different from the fakes.

That said, I.still have about 20 conflicting thoughts about what type this will end up being.

Did Conlon put this stamp on type 2's or 3's?

Is there a date range for when he used this stamp?

Other type 1 photos have newspaper date stamps that are 20 years after the photo was taken, so what is it that makes them type 1's? Is it the material used to make the photo?

[drcy]

I would image that the vast majority of the Conlon photos are originals (type 1s.) I know of some famous photographers who reprinted images (Dorrill, Burke, Brace), but do not know Conlon to be one of them. So if it appears and the image is clear, it's fair to assume it's type I.

[TCMA]

[btcarfagno]

That's the one!!

[lumberjack]

This is a Conlon of Hack Simmons. The print appeared in the McCabe Conlon book, "Baseball's Golden Age." It is on page 196.

[TCMA]

Originally Posted by lumberjack

This is a Conlon of Hack Simmons. The print appeared in the McCabe Conlon book, "Baseball's Golden Age." It is on page 196.

You're absolutely right, it's Hack Simmons. I had posted earlier this morning that I was convinced the photo wasn't Cobb but I deleted it because I wanted to have more info before sticking that. Now I've got it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hack_Simmons

[TCMA]

Handwritten ID's on the back of press photos are often incorrect. Even when it comes to big name HOFers. For example, a Paul Thompson photo in our archive of Joe Jackson has him identified as "Bill" Jackson on the reverse. Hmm, that's not right.

[btcarfagno]

You're right. Looking closer that's not Cobb. Dammit!!

[TCMA]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

Other type 1 photos have newspaper date stamps that are 20 years after the photo was taken, so what is it that makes them type 1's? Is it the material used to make the photo?

Type 1 designation is given to a photo print created within two years of the image being shot. That's really all that makes it a "Type 1."

[Bicem]

Think the uniform dates to 1908 and later. There's also the famous Conlon photo of Cobb batting with a similar background that dates to 1910.

I have this similar photo of Bush too...