T227 Miners Extra backs

[orly57]

Boxing and Heroes of History. Right. My fault. I was just thinking baseball, since we are on a baseball card forum. T227 BASEBALL players are the only BASEBALL CARDS with the Miner's ad. I don't know how I forgot Heroes of History. Classic set of historic figures that didn't play baseball or any other sport. As I wrote in response to his question on rarity, TPGs often don't specify Miner's or Honest on the slab, so the pop is impossible to gauge from the pop reports. Perhaps the Ponce DeLeon or Charlemagne rookie cards from Heroes of History sell for a 1.25x premium with the Miner's back.

[Marslife]

Hey Fellas!

I'm working on a Master set so I have been following these for a couple of years. All of my cards are or have been sent to SGC for grading. Looks like the first card I sent was back in 2013 and SGC has been identifying ME or HLC on the flip since that time. Couldn't tell you when they started or if they always have differentiated on the flip? Looks like all of the Cobby's on the SGC pop reports all have designated backs.

I don't have any evidence that one back is harder to find than the other so I couldn't comment on that. I know that two subjects have never been found with an ME back that we know of (yet??). The most fun fact about this set is that the 25th subject has NEVER been identified to date!

I have seen more ME backs listed for sale in the last 6 months than I have since I started watching them. As far as premium for one back or another, I think in general the set is "catching on" and prices are getting crazy. As you know, the cards are condition sensitive and more likely the premium is heavily weighted toward "good condition" cards than the manufacturer on the back? A VG/EX Marquard HLC back went for over $1K last week in Mile High auction last week!

fun set!

Best of luck with your collection!

Cliff

[Baseball Rarities]

Cliff - This is such a beautiful issue. How close to you on your master set? What two cards are not known with the ME back?

[orly57]

PSA doesn't distinguish on the slab. Therefore it doesn't distinguish on the population report. You are correct that SGC does, and seemingly always has. Judging from the SGC reports, Miner's seems to be a bit tougher. The Homerun Baker has twice as many Honest as it does Miners. The Cobbs are almost even (32 miners 37 honest). Rube is slanted 40 Honest to 22 Miners (one blank back).

[Bkrum]

Originally Posted by Marslife

Hey Fellas!

I'm working on a Master set so I have been following these for a couple of years. All of my cards are or have been sent to SGC for grading. Looks like the first card I sent was back in 2013 and SGC has been identifying ME or HLC on the flip since that time. Couldn't tell you when they started or if they always have differentiated on the flip? Looks like all of the Cobby's on the SGC pop reports all have designated backs.

I don't have any evidence that one back is harder to find than the other so I couldn't comment on that. I know that two subjects have never been found with an ME back that we know of (yet??). The most fun fact about this set is that the 25th subject has NEVER been identified to date!

I have seen more ME backs listed for sale in the last 6 months than I have since I started watching them. As far as premium for one back or another, I think in general the set is "catching on" and prices are getting crazy. As you know, the cards are condition sensitive and more likely the premium is heavily weighted toward "good condition" cards than the manufacturer on the back? A VG/EX Marquard HLC back went for over $1K last week in Mile High auction last week!

fun set!

Best of luck with your collection!

Cliff

Don’t tease us.....please share your fun fact or any other pertinent info!!

[Marslife]

Hey Fellas!

Happy to talk about this set all day long! I am stuck at 45/48 for the Master Set run. There are two key cards in the set that are prohibiting my quest: Bruce Brown & C.P. Rodgers. As far as I can tell there is only one known complete basic set (24/24 mixed backs) and that is Ed’s set which he has on the PSA registry. I am not aware of any others. As for the key cards I took a quick look on the POP reports and from what I have found thru internet research.

Bruce Brown – Auto Driver – 3 known/registered cards (two PSA and one SGC). All with HLC backs.

C.P. Rodgers (Calbraith P. Rodgers) – Aviator – 4 known/registered cards (two PSA and two SGC) all with HLC backs.

Sooo… complete sets 24/24 are nearly impossible unless you are lucky enough to come across these two scarce cards.

I also noted on some prior threads that the 4 baseball players can be found with blank backs. Per the thread I think they are one of one cards and even more scarce than the two cards listed above.
The hunt continues…

TTYL!

Cliff

[Beansballcardblog]

I believe I was only aware that there were two copies of the David Bruce-Brown. Thanks for sharing that. To be honest, that card is probably the " holy grail" of cards to me, as someone acquiring the pre-war auto racing cards.

-kin

[Leon]

To add a little to population numbers I got this message yesterday from a good hobby friend who is a lurker. He says he loves reading the board but posting isn't his thing. I can understand that. At any rate here is what he said-

"One of the last posters, who is working on a Master set of both backs, states that he is aware of only one complete basic set (all 24 of the fronts, regardless of backs). That is a PSA registered set. Well, if you’d like, you can post that you are aware of another complete set. This set is all Honest Long Cut backs. I’m sure that it will come as no shock to you that none of the 24 are graded! Don’t know if you’ve seen them, but they’re pretty sharp except for Brown, which is one of the two that you take what you can get."

.

[Marslife]

Thanks Leon!

OK so the tally is now at two complete sets, one with mixed backs and one all HLC backs...

Nice! that gives me hope and my quest continues now with renewed enthusiasm!

I suspect since the HLC complete set owner won't post, that he wont share some pictures...

So for what its worth... Burdick found a nice one, currently residing in his collection at the Met. Unfortunately they have not identified the manufacturer on the back, maybe if a board member makes a trip to see the collection they can try and see what back it is...

here is a pic and the link:

Bruce Brown - Miners extra.jpg

https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/694928

TTYL!

Cliff