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Batpig · #1 04-02-2018, 04:11 PM

What we're seeing here is what happens when someone not used to being open and honest tries to fake it.

frankbmd · #2 04-02-2018, 04:38 PM

The advantages of telling the truth.

1. Everybody gets the same answer.

2. You do not need to remember which lie you told to which person.

3. Making all your stories consistent with each other can be a formidable challenge, because people talk even on a respected Internet forum.

4. Getting caught in a mis-statement and trying to cover up for it can get awfully messy.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

Peter_Spaeth · #3 04-02-2018, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankbmd

The advantages of telling the truth.

1. Everybody gets the same answer.

2. You do not need to remember which lie you told to which person.

3. Making all your stories consistent with each other can be a formidable challenge, because people talk even on a respected Internet forum.

4. Getting caught in a mis-statement and trying to cover up for it can get awfully messy.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

Walter Scott knew of what he spoke, eh?

kailes2872 · #4 04-02-2018, 05:21 PM

All I know is that if it ever hits the fan for me, I want Peter as my defense lawyer. He would be all over discovery. No stone would be unturned. If the law thing doesn't work out, he could have a job as an investigative reporter or a detective. I mean this in the most respectfull of ways possible and tip my hat to the ability to find everything. When they came on the board originally, I thought, "They seem like nice guys, I hope that it all works out ok. I wonder why people are being so hard on them" and then, bam, all of the evidence uncovered in real time.

JollyElm · #5 04-02-2018, 05:39 PM

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♫ We are strong, no one can tell us we're wrong
Searchin' our auctions for so lo-ong
Both of us knowing
We are Battlefield... ♫

bigfish · #6 04-02-2018, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kailes2872

All I know is that if it ever hits the fan for me, I want Peter as my defense lawyer. He would be all over discovery. No stone would be unturned. If the law thing doesn't work out, he could have a job as an investigative reporter or a detective. I mean this in the most respectfull of ways possible and tip my hat to the ability to find everything. When they came on the board originally, I thought, "They seem like nice guys, I hope that it all works out ok. I wonder why people are being so hard on them" and then, bam, all of the evidence uncovered in real time.

I am glad this circus act has been undressed!

Toby Petersen

jfkheat · #7 04-02-2018, 05:42 PM

There is one thing I can't get out of my head concerning the PSA Authentic Aaron. The Candiman auction ended March 11th. Assuming 2 days to send out invoices, the invoice would go out March 13th. The auction rules says payments are due no later than 2 weeks from the invoice days. So the buyer would have until March 27th to make payment. The eBay auction for the Aaron ended March 26th at 1 am. It looks like most of the current listings are 5 day auctions so lets assume that the Aaron was. The Aaron would have been listed the night/early morning of March 21/22. That is several days before the deadline to make payment. I didn't check to see which cards had bids in the main auction but several other cards ended within a day or 2 of the Aaron. Did all of the non paying bidders email or contact Candiman and tell them that they would not be sending payment before the payment deadline? Non payers typically don't tell you that they won't be sending payment, they just don't send it. So, what happened with the 2 weeks to send payment? This is another thing that can be added to the list of issues with Candiman.
James

Edit to add: I forgot to add a day or two for the cards to be shipped to Arkansas.

AUCTION RULES:

8. Payment: Invoices will be sent to all winning bidders within 3 business days after the auction by e-mail. Hard copy invoices will only be sent to those customers who request them and will contain all of your auction totals, including the items you won, shipping and insurance costs and tax if applicable. A copy of the payment instructions will also be enclosed with your invoice. Any bidder who has not paid in full without having made prior arrangements for late payment will have future bidding privileges revoked. Invoices are payable upon receipt with payment due no later than two weeks from date of invoice.

bnorth · #8 04-02-2018, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jfkheat

There is one thing I can't get out of my head concerning the PSA Authentic Aaron. The Candiman auction ended March 11th. Assuming 2 days to send out invoices, the invoice would go out March 13th. The auction rules says payments are due no later than 2 weeks from the invoice days. So the buyer would have until March 27th to make payment. The eBay auction for the Aaron ended March 26th at 1 am. It looks like most of the current listings are 5 day auctions so lets assume that the Aaron was. The Aaron would have been listed the night/early morning of March 21/22. That is several days before the deadline to make payment. I didn't check to see which cards had bids in the main auction but several other cards ended within a day or 2 of the Aaron. Did all of the non paying bidders email or contact Candiman and tell them that they would not be sending payment before the payment deadline? Non payers typically don't tell you that they won't be sending payment, they just don't send it. So, what happened with the 2 weeks to send payment? This is another thing that can be added to the list of issues with Candiman.
James

Edit to add: I forgot to add a day or two for the cards to be shipped to Arkansas.

AUCTION RULES:

8. Payment: Invoices will be sent to all winning bidders within 3 business days after the auction by e-mail. Hard copy invoices will only be sent to those customers who request them and will contain all of your auction totals, including the items you won, shipping and insurance costs and tax if applicable. A copy of the payment instructions will also be enclosed with your invoice. Any bidder who has not paid in full without having made prior arrangements for late payment will have future bidding privileges revoked. Invoices are payable upon receipt with payment due no later than two weeks from date of invoice.

I don't think Daniel ever said the cards got shipped to Arkansas. Just he had a friend(LOL) there selling them for him. I do have this sneaky suspicion we will find out soon though.

cardsnstuff · #9 04-02-2018, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jfkheat

Edit to add: I forgot to add a day or two for the cards to be shipped to Arkansas.

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Unless, of course, and probably, everything done from one location, including shill bidding. I wonder if we could contact simple site and ask for IP addresses of bids. I would think that if proved that could lead to criminal fraud like in the Mastro Case.

bnorth · #10 04-02-2018, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cardsnstuff

Unless, of course, and probably, everything done from one location, including shill bidding. I wonder if we could contact simple site and ask for IP addresses of bids. I would think that if proved that could lead to criminal fraud like in the Mastro Case.

Shill bidding is not illegal everywhere. Would have to find out the law in Daniels location.

cardsnstuff · #11 04-02-2018, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bnorth

Shill bidding is not illegal everywhere. Would have to find out the law in Daniels location.

That I certainly did not know; I would think that {shill bidding} is a conflict of interest and theft by deception, unless there is a published reserve.
Perhaps, Scott can confirm; but this was my interpretation, with regards to shill bidding. [I]

In most states, the seller or their agent (which can certainly include the auctioneer) may be allowed to bid on behalf of any minimum reserve prices set by the seller, as long as “SUCH BIDDING IS DISCLOSED” to the bidders. This is also the primary difference between “shilling” and “protecting the reserve”.

There are basically two ways to “protect the reserve”. One method method is to “Pass” the item, if it does not meet the reserve. The other is “bidding on behalf of the reserve” and may only be done if DISCLOSED to the bidders (note the emphasis). Some auctioneers may also use a consignor bidder number or “house number”, in such cases that the reserve is not met, to keep things flowing smoother and allows for tracking during settlement of the auction. The key point is “DISCLOSURE”. If the auctioneer has not disclosed that such bidding may be allowed, then it would be considered “shilling” and would be considered fraudulent bidding.

With regards to ebay; this is there take
Shill bidding can happen regardless of whether the bidder knows the seller. However, when someone bidding on an item knows the seller, they might have information about the seller's item that other shoppers aren't aware of. This could create an unfair advantage, or cause another bidder to pay more than they should. We want to maintain a fair marketplace for all our users, and as such, shill bidding is prohibited on eBay.

Peter_Spaeth · #12 04-02-2018, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jfkheat

There is one thing I can't get out of my head concerning the PSA Authentic Aaron. The Candiman auction ended March 11th. Assuming 2 days to send out invoices, the invoice would go out March 13th. The auction rules says payments are due no later than 2 weeks from the invoice days. So the buyer would have until March 27th to make payment. The eBay auction for the Aaron ended March 26th at 1 am. It looks like most of the current listings are 5 day auctions so lets assume that the Aaron was. The Aaron would have been listed the night/early morning of March 21/22. That is several days before the deadline to make payment. I didn't check to see which cards had bids in the main auction but several other cards ended within a day or 2 of the Aaron. Did all of the non paying bidders email or contact Candiman and tell them that they would not be sending payment before the payment deadline? Non payers typically don't tell you that they won't be sending payment, they just don't send it. So, what happened with the 2 weeks to send payment? This is another thing that can be added to the list of issues with Candiman.
James

Edit to add: I forgot to add a day or two for the cards to be shipped to Arkansas.

AUCTION RULES:

8. Payment: Invoices will be sent to all winning bidders within 3 business days after the auction by e-mail. Hard copy invoices will only be sent to those customers who request them and will contain all of your auction totals, including the items you won, shipping and insurance costs and tax if applicable. A copy of the payment instructions will also be enclosed with your invoice. Any bidder who has not paid in full without having made prior arrangements for late payment will have future bidding privileges revoked. Invoices are payable upon receipt with payment due no later than two weeks from date of invoice.

James great point but already made in post 142.

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