Help, identify an authenticity Hologram Mickey Mantle Ted Williams paging Shelly

Runscott · #1 03-29-2018, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MantleBham

I 100% trust you, but can you help me learn by pointing out what I missed?

I didn’t buy it, knew to come here first. Is it just too clean, and those two together?

I’m curious what on my checklist of things to look for as far as the signatures go I am not seeing.

Teaching a particular autograph is not easy, but I think a process exists for 'learning' to validate any autograph;e.g-early 1950's Mantles or late-career Ruths or quickly-signed Gehrigs. You need to study, study, study, analyzing consciously what you learn after each 'lesson', then testing your memory every now and then. In each 'lesson' you learn something new and these learning points become part of your unconscious so that as you see examples of the autograph in question you are better able to unconsciously decide if it is good or not. If you can't decide quickly then it's probably a candidate for a new 'lesson';i.e-try to find similar examples, look at what's good and bad, decide if the autograph is good or bad, consciously consider what you have learned, letting your unconscious absorb the 'lesson'. You only become expert on that particular autograph over time, as the lessons sink in.

Trying to teach someone the above about a single autograph in one post is really impossible. For really bad ones you can point things out that make sense, but for others, like the above - they pass all your tests, but are obvious forgeries to experts like the guys above who responded to you. They didn't get this knowledge from someone in a single post.

MantleBham · #2 03-29-2018, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

Teaching a particular autograph is not easy, but I think a process exists for 'learning' to validate any autograph;e.g-early 1950's Mantles or late-career Ruths or quickly-signed Gehrigs. You need to study, study, study, analyzing consciously what you learn after each 'lesson', then testing your memory every now and then. In each 'lesson' you learn something new and these learning points become part of your unconscious so that as you see examples of the autograph in question you are better able to unconsciously decide if it is good or not. If you can't decide quickly then it's probably a candidate for a new 'lesson';i.e-try to find similar examples, look at what's good and bad, decide if the autograph is good or bad, consciously consider what you have learned, letting your unconscious absorb the 'lesson'. You only become expert on that particular autograph over time, as the lessons sink in.

Trying to teach someone the above about a single autograph in one post is really impossible. For really bad ones you can point things out that make sense, but for others, like the above - they pass all your tests, but are obvious forgeries to experts like the guys above who responded to you. They didn't get this knowledge from someone in a single post.

Of course they didn�t. I�m not a simpleton. Was just hoping to learn something.

thetruthisoutthere · #3 03-29-2018, 12:52 PM

That is a Chris "I Never Saw An Autograph I Didn't Like" Morales hologram.

Those forgeries on that image have been mass-produced in the thousands.

Laughable crap.

MantleBham · #4 03-29-2018, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

That is a Chris "I Never Saw An Autograph I Didn't Like" Morales hologram.

Those forgeries on that image have been mass-produced in the thousands.

Laughable crap.

Thank you, I appreciate it, that helps.

Runscott · #5 03-29-2018, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MantleBham

Of course they didn�t. I�m not a simpleton. Was just hoping to learn something.

Youll have a better chance if you drop the bad attitude and focus on the free help you are getting as opposed to perceived slights. My guess is that you will have to buy a few forgeries in order to learn anything.

MantleBham · #6 03-29-2018, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

Youll have a better chance if you drop the bad attitude and focus on the free help you are getting as opposed to perceived slights. My guess is that you will have to buy a few forgeries in order to learn anything.

From the beginning of this thread I’ve said nothing but thank you’s to everyone.

I wasn’t rude to you was just saying that I was hoping to learn from my mistake and have said thank you to everyone who has tried to help.

thetruthisoutthere · #7 03-29-2018, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MantleBham

From the beginning of this thread I�ve said nothing but thank you�s to everyone.

I wasn�t rude to you was just saying that I was hoping to learn from my mistake and have said thank you to everyone who has tried to help.

"Learning" autographs is not easy and it doesn't happen overnight.

It's all about acquiring an "eye."

MantleBham · #8 03-29-2018, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

"Learning" autographs is not easy and it doesn't happen overnight.

It's all about acquiring an "eye."

I understand, but I can’t learn without asking. The acquiring an eye does make sense, just trying to learn what else to look for.

thetruthisoutthere · #9 03-29-2018, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MantleBham

I understand, but I can’t learn without asking. The acquiring an eye does make sense, just trying to learn what else to look for.

If you, on a daily basis, study authentic Mantle autographs, your "eye" will discover what to look for.

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