Yankees Ticket Dating Guide BOTCHED

[btcarfagno]

I do not see it as bashing. Yet anyway.

And certainly no one should bash you for the great amount of work that went into the guide and your generosity in sharing that wealth of knowledge with the larger collecting community. You should be thanked for that, and very much so.

If, however, new information comes to light that shows errors or updates are needed, then this is equally important. A guide can no longer be considered a true guide if it shown to contain errors or has become outdated due to additional research.

This is especially important if many tickets have been incorrectly slabbed by the alphabet soups based on outdated information which has now shown to be inaccurate. It is that much more important to let the hobby know so that they can be informed when purchasing a slabbed ticket as to whether or not the slabbing company used outdated information and their flip may be incorrect. Unfortunately that genie left the bottle a long time ago and the slabs are pretty much forever. So if they are incorrect people need to know what to look for in an inaccurate flip.

I don't know much about ticket collecting, so all of my above statements are just based on collecting in general. If I am off base in what I have read in this thread then please forgive me.

[megalimey]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

I do not see it as bashing. Yet anyway.

And certainly no one should bash you for the great amount of work that went into the guide and your generosity in sharing that wealth of knowledge with the larger collecting community. You should be thanked for that, and very much so.

If, however, new information comes to light that shows errors or updates are needed, then this is equally important. A guide can no longer be considered a true guide if it shown to contain errors or has become outdated due to additional research.

This is especially important if many tickets have been incorrectly slabbed by the alphabet soups based on outdated information which has now shown to be inaccurate. It is that much more important to let the hobby know so that they can be informed when purchasing a slabbed ticket as to whether or not the slabbing company used outdated information and their flip may be incorrect. Unfortunately that genie left the bottle a long time ago and the slabs are pretty much forever. So if they are incorrect people need to know what to look for in an inaccurate flip.

I don't know much about ticket collecting, so all of my above statements are just based on collecting in general. If I am off base in what I have read in this thread then please forgive me.

WEB SITE HAS BEEN REVISED with some minor corrections over the years
and FYI PSA will correct any submission wrongly labeled at no charge
and I will provide the details to any one that has one to be fixed, also at no charge
my intentions were to prevent the barrage of mis identified tickets for mile stone games hitting the market , at this time the Keyman website is 100% accurate with the Year Dating codes from 1923-1968 , and until proven with 100% verifiable proof that its wrong , .

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by megalimey

WEB SITE HAS BEEN REVISED with some minor corrections over the years
and FYI PSA will correct any submission wrongly labeled at no charge
and I will provide the details to any one that has one to be fixed, also at no charge
my intentions were to prevent the barrage of mis identified tickets for mile stone games hitting the market , at this time the Keyman website is 100% accurate with the Year Dating codes from 1923-1968 , and until proven with 100% verifiable proof that its wrong , .

ok so the link in my original post:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/AMERICAN-LE...19.m1438.l2649

https://www.ebay.com/itm/AMERICAN-LE...19.m1438.l2649

what year is that ticket from?

[megalimey]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

ok so the link in my original post:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/AMERICAN-LE...19.m1438.l2649

https://www.ebay.com/itm/AMERICAN-LE...19.m1438.l2649

what year is that ticket from?

it has a Letter D which corresponds with 1936 date code
hundreds of tickets have wrong hand written dates teams or events
that should never be taken on face value

if that were the case I can sell you some original Babe Ruth signatures
that some ones grand pappy said he got personally and even wrote the date he got them , but NO COA go figure

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by megalimey

it has a Letter D which corresponds with 1936 date code
hundreds of tickets have wrong hand written dates teams or events
that should never be taken on face value

if that were the case I can sell you some original Babe Ruth signatures
that some ones grand pappy said he got personally and even wrote the date he got them , but NO COA go figure

so bidding over $200 on a ticket from a "1936" rain out game? (edited to say not a rainout, I'm typing so fast, now I'm making errors, ok I'll slow it down)

a select few in the know, know its a 1937 game.

[Shoeless Moe]

and isn't this one a 1967:

http://dec13.hugginsandscott.com/cgi...m.pl?lotno=239



with someone putting a false date stamped on it?

[megalimey]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

and isn't this one a 1967:

http://dec13.hugginsandscott.com/cgi...m.pl?lotno=239



with someone putting a false date stamped on it?

IT HAS no hologram and was Slabbed 2011 or earlier pre Keyman GUIDE
for all you naysays trust me there are literally a handful of you ,
keep up the good work trolling for PSA errors ,

I will give you $100 for each wrong one in turn you have to give me a $1 for every right one
we then can see who come's out ahead, and yes I know you will still love to Hate thats life

[megalimey]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

so bidding over $200 on a ticket from a "1936" rain out game?

a select few in the know, know its a 1937 game.

Home Game 14 in 1936 was not rained out and played 5-6-1936
see the Yankees Home schedule image came from original 1936 Scorecard
which clearly shows Home Game 14 as being played5-6-1936 it was not rained out
http://keymancollectibles.com/ticket...meschedule.htm

[Shoeless Moe]

So how is this a 1936? clearly its a 1933 right? according to your guide it is a 1933.

[Shoeless Moe]

Tom, you are 100% dead on. There is no bashing here or intended. It's all about getting it right. The bashing however will come if its not updated and corrected.


This one says 1927

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...410044-44099.s

but its a 1924, correct David? or incorrect?

[megalimey]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Tom, you are 100% dead on. There is no bashing here or intended. It's all about getting it right. The bashing however will come if its not updated and corrected.


This one says 1927

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...410044-44099.s

but its a 1924, correct David? or incorrect?

actually ticket shown is 100% 1923 was slabbed WRONGLY in 2010 pre keyman dating guide 2014

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by megalimey

actually ticket shown is 100% 1923 was slabbed WRONGLY in 2010 pre keyman dating guide 2014

I'm sorry yes I meant to say 1923, but my point is its slabbed as a 1927, which is incorrect.And there are several out there like this slabbed incorrect.

what about the other one, my original post, what year is that one?

[megalimey]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

I'm sorry yes I meant to say 1923, but my point is its slabbed as a 1927, which is incorrect.And there are several out there like this slabbed incorrect.

what about the other one, my original post, what year is that one?

see we all make mistakes you meant 1923 that are not intentional and meant to deceive

my intentions have always been honorable with no harm or malice or hidden agenda , we researched the data for several years , inspecting 1000's of ticket images and cross referencing them over and over again until we were certain as we could be before presenting it to PSA and SMR who acknowledge that it was the best , most well documented and most accurate information available on Undated Yankee tickets , SMR published it in July 2013 , and PSA posted on the nationally known PSA website, Now every single big auction refers to it , when it come to Undated Yankees Tickets
obviously some folks still want to hang me up like I am some scam artist
out to make a buck , thats the farthest thing from the truth , yes you have pointed out some errors
but this is the best and only actual factual information you have out there.
and Provides a key service to the 99.9% of people who accept it as a fair and accurate guide
and they will take it over absolutely nothing that was available before

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by megalimey

actually ticket shown is 100% 1923 was slabbed WRONGLY in 2010 pre keyman dating guide 2014

Only 1923 tickets have a Canada Dry advert on the back.

[mcgwirecom]

I saw some of those blank backed stubs being sold on Ebay. The seller stated that if they had N.Y.C. on the bottom they had to be from 1936. I bought several of these type stubs last year that were still attached to the scrapbook page. I only bought them because I figured the scrapbook page would serve as a way to date them definitively. However I have a couple from 1940 with the N.Y.C. at the bottom. I told the seller about this and his answer was that "mine were leftover 1936 tickets they used again in 1940". I do not think that is the case. I think the Keyman dating criteria is fine for what it says it is, grandstand and bleacher seat. These blank backs are what I believe as "tax receipts" for people who were let into the game either comped or with a pass of some kind.