N48 Dixie/Virginia Brights and N508 Sub Rosa

[Cozumeleno]

Originally Posted by Joe_G.

I have not studied these cards in any detail but would expect that the cards were issued and re-issued in later years resulting in format changes, much like a Dan Brouthers N172 of the same pose being issued in 1887, 1888, 1889, and 1890 with similar but unique card layout/design each year. I suspect Dixie was introduced just prior to ATC merger but if it is found to be 1887 or earlier introduction than I'd date the first issue to about that time.

FWIW, an 1888 Virginia Brights and 1892 Dixie pack. Anyone aware of another Dixie pack in the hobby?

Concur on the dating thing. It's really the only thing that makes sense give the similarity of the cards but the different designs. And those packs are fantastic.

[Joe_G.]

Thought I might give this thread a bump with addition of a Sub Rosa cigarette pack. Sub Rosa cigarettes were produced by M. S. Pacholder in Baltimore, MD. This pack has an 1883 tax stamp which would be used from 1883 to 1893. There is no overstamp to help narrow dating although the slide & shell packs became common in 1887 (replacing paper packs).

The outer shell is miscut so I used photoshop to, in part, fix the miscut in order to see what the pack was meant to look like.

Another cigarette manufacturer, H. Mandelbaum from NY, would issue N508 cards similar to Sub Rosa but with the gold advertising box blank and instead placing their advertising on the card back. Here is link to an old auction of 3 such cards.

[Leon]

Nice Joe. Very ornate and par for the time period. Thanks for sharing it.

Originally Posted by Joe_G.

Thought I might give this thread a bump with addition of a Sub Rosa cigarette pack. Sub Rosa cigarettes were produced by M. S. Pacholder in Baltimore, MD. This pack has an 1883 tax stamp which would be used from 1883 to 1893. There is no overstamp to help narrow dating although the slide & shell packs became common in 1887 (replacing paper packs).

The outer shell is miscut so I used photoshop to, in part, fix the miscut in order to see what the pack was meant to look like.

Another cigarette manufacturer, H. Mandelbaum from NY, would issue N508 cards similar to Sub Rosa but with the gold advertising box blank and instead placing their advertising on the card back. Here is link to an old auction of 3 such cards.

[Cozumeleno]

Gorgeous pack - great stuff.