T206 HOF "Rookies"

[T206Collector]

From an earlier thread on Net54:

Originally Posted by h2oya311

> Speaker - I have struggled with classifying his rookie card to date. Most have generally accepted that his t206 is his rookie card. But there are a few postcards that pre-date it: the 1908 Little Rock Travelers Team PC and the 1908-09 Rose Company Poscard (if it exists). Until recently, most would have considered the Novelty Cutlery PC to have pre-dated the t206 since it was categorized as having been issued from 1907-09. To date, no Novelty Cutlery PC's have had a cancellation date prior to 1910, which is why Jeff (bicem) believes them to be a 1910 issue.

> Wheat - here's an interesting one. There are several cabinet photos that pre-date his 1910 T206. There's a 1900's Kelso Studio Cabinet Card, a 1906 Prairie Roses Team Cabinet, and a 1906 Cabinet (showing him in a Union City uniform). For some reason, I have always though of the 1909-12 PX7 Sweet Caporal Domino Discs as his rookie card, but don't ask me why.

> Marquard - The T206 of Marquard (w/ 150 back / hands at side) is often thought to be his rookie card by collectors, although I would prefer the few minor league cards that pre-date his T206, namely the 1907 Canton Ohio Team PC and/or the 1908 Indianapolis PC (where he is incorrectly named "Charles Marquard"). Additionally, there is a 1908 Hall's Studio Cabinet of Marquard, although I'm not sure I've ever seen one before, I've only seen it checklisted. Obviously, there are a few concurrent cards from 1909, but not many, so I think it's okay to call the Marquard (hands at side / 150 series) a "rookie" card as well.

I don't think any other HOF player in the T206 set should be considered a rookie card other than the three listed above. Coming to a consensus on "true rookie" is a herculean effort that won't be resolved in this thread (or ever).

I'm not sure about any of the non-HOF players in the set, unfortunately.

[Rhotchkiss]

I thought the e90-1 was Speaker’s “rookie card”, especially since he is series 350 in t206?

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I thought the e90-1 was Speaker’s “rookie card”, especially since he is series 350 in t206?

Ryan

Speaker's E90-1 card was issued in the last series (circa Summer/Fall 1910).

His T206 card is in the 350 series (issued circa Spring 1910).






TED Z

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[h2oya311]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I thought the e90-1 was Speaker’s “rookie card”, especially since he is series 350 in t206?

Here's my list of earliest Speaker cards/photos:

> 1908 Little Rock Travelers Team PC
> 1908 Little Rock Travelers Team Composite Photo
> 1908-09 Rose Company Postcards (unconfirmed)
> 1909-11 E90-1
> 1909 Sporting News Supplement
> 1909-10 Carl Horner Cabinet

I don't even include the T206 as it would be a 1910 issue, despite the fact that the T206 is what several "rookie" card collectors go after.

[Rhotchkiss]

I don't even include the T206 as it would be a 1910 issue, despite the fact that the T206 is what several "rookie" card collectors go after.[/QUOTE]

But what about Ted's comment that his T206 350 series came out in the spring of 1910 and the E90-1 came out in the Fall of 2010?

[h2oya311]

But what about Ted's comment that his T206 350 series came out in the spring of 1910 and the E90-1 came out in the Fall of 2010?

I don't know how I missed Ted's comment! I wasn't aware of the specific timing of issuance for certain players in the E90-1 set. Does anyone have a full list or was it documented here on Net54?

[Santo10Fan]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

From an earlier thread on Net54:

Thanks a bunch I had wondered about Speaker especially