Candiman Auctions Explained

Peter_Spaeth · #1 03-07-2018, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CandimanAuctions

Peter,

Yes that is our policy which is in line with every other auction house in the industry. If by looking at the pictures posted and reading our descriptions you don't agree with our assessment then bid accordingly. The policy is clearly posted for everyone to see prior to bidding.

Again, if ANY card in the auction that we haven't identified as altered is submitted for grading and comes back as such we will encourage the buyer to return the card for a full refund.

Daniel

As was pointed out above, you aren't every other auction house. You are a start-up with no experience or as far as we know qualifications, selling the raw inventory of a notorious fraudster. And anyhow I don't know any respected auction these days that would sell some of the cards you are calling NM or NM MT without grading them. These are not attacks, that's a bogus narrative on your part. These are legitimate concerns, not answered simply by saying, trust us.

CandimanAuctions · #2 03-07-2018, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

As was pointed out above, you aren't every other auction house. You are a start-up with no experience or as far as we know qualifications, selling the raw inventory of a notorious fraudster. And anyhow I don't know any respected auction these days that would sell some of the cards you are calling NM or NM MT without grading them. These are not attacks, that's a bogus narrative on your part. These are legitimate concerns, not answered simply by saying, trust us.

Peter,

Look, I know I'm not going to win with you. You have been one of the most critical people on this thread and no matter what I say you aren't going to believe me. There's no point in repeating myself over and over again. The only thing I can ask is that you give us the chance to prove ourselves. With this auction and the subsequent one's. Like many people on here have said, if we aren't being honest, we won't last very long. I plan on Candiman Auctions being around for years to come. Can you at least agree to allow us the chance to prove ourselves? Time will prove that we are being straightforward with everyone.

Daniel

Peter_Spaeth · #3 03-07-2018, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CandimanAuctions

Peter,

Look, I know I'm not going to win with you. You have been one of the most critical people on this thread and no matter what I say you aren't going to believe me. There's no point in repeating myself over and over again. The only thing I can ask is that you give us the chance to prove ourselves. With this auction and the subsequent one's. Like many people on here have said, if we aren't being honest, we won't last very long. I plan on Candiman Auctions being around for years to come. Can you at least agree to allow us the chance to prove ourselves? Time will prove that we are being straightforward with everyone.

Daniel

You very well may be honest, and I do hope that turns out to be the case. But by your logic -- I wouldn't do anything dishonest or I won't last -- there would be no dishonesty in the world. It doesn't help. What would help is if you took the collective advice of this Board on how to effectively dissociate yourself from Battlefield, but since you won't, then I think most of us are just going to wait and see and not take risks.

CandimanAuctions · #4 03-09-2018, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think most of us are just going to wait and see and not take risks.

Peter,

That's all that we're asking for. Wait and see and stop judging us before we have even completed our first auction. Every auction house had to start somewhere. We can't make it happen overnight. For the people who feel skeptical that's perfectly fine. Don't bid in any of our auctions until you feel comfortable in doing so. Time will prove our intentions are good and I'm confident we will end up doing business with a lot of the members of this forum sometime in the future.

Daniel

vintagetoppsguy · #5 03-07-2018, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CandimanAuctions

Can you at least agree to allow us the chance to prove ourselves?

I think that's a fair request.

CandimanAuctions · #6 03-09-2018, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Originally Posted by CandimanAuctions View Post
Can you at least agree to allow us the chance to prove ourselves?

I think that's a fair request.

Dave,

Thank you very much for saying this. That's all we're asking for.

Thanks,

Daniel

Jenx34 · #7 03-08-2018, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CandimanAuctions

Peter,

Look, I know I'm not going to win with you. You have been one of the most critical people on this thread and no matter what I say you aren't going to believe me. There's no point in repeating myself over and over again. The only thing I can ask is that you give us the chance to prove ourselves. With this auction and the subsequent one's. Like many people on here have said, if we aren't being honest, we won't last very long. I plan on Candiman Auctions being around for years to come. Can you at least agree to allow us the chance to prove ourselves? Time will prove that we are being straightforward with everyone.

Daniel

Daniel, your problem with Peter is you keep coming back with the same responses and he keeps challenging you because your responses to cover the depth of his concerns. I believe what Peter has said and is trying to say is this...

As a new auction house, fairly or unfairly attached to the reputation of your parents Ebay shenanigans, if you want respect from the serious card community, it is on YOU to go above and beyond to SEPARATE your business from the transgressions of your family. Featuring their inventory isn't doing so. And your continued responses about Peter's concern re: grading accuracy and another's question about Paypal with "we are the same as all the other auction houses" does nothing to separate you or give anyone the confidence that you are not just an extension of your parents with a new story and method.

If you are NOT them, prove it by separating yourself from them, not just denouncing them. If you had listed a few cards of theirs and disclosed that might be just fine. But that collection is the bellcow of this first auction, which sends up red flags everywhere. So it really is YOU that is not doing a good enough job earning it, rather than just asking people to believe you.

I truly hope you can see the difference.

Stonepony · #8 03-08-2018, 10:15 AM

I've been following this thread and likely was the one to direct the auctioneer to this thread. After reading opinions and examining the cards in the auction I have a couple thoughts. 1) Candiman auctions has shown williness to engage in conversation that is quite heated and inflammatory, yet shown poise and respect. That's not easy to do. I understand they haven't complied with some posters request or answered all questions. I don't expect them to suddenly close an auction scheduled to close in a couple days and ship cards to PSA that is months and months behind on orders. 2) I believe most if not all the " high grade" raw cards are Battlefield inventory and not another consignor 3) I am not going to take a chance on the auction ( disclosed- I did put in a bid for the Red Heart Mantle before I knew who they were associated with) because I'm not comfortable with their ability to assign grades. If I bought a card and it came back authentic from PSA I would simply return it. My problem is cards that are listed as NM ( the 1955 B Mantle) that is clearly VG. This wipes out any confidence I would have that their assigned grades are remotely accurate. Without larger scans and more detailed descriptions I can't risk it.
I'm sure someone on this site is going to take a flyer. sometimes we can't help
Ourselves. I hope those persons keep us updated. I hope all works out well for all involved, but I'm out.

slidekellyslide · #9 03-08-2018, 12:26 PM

So two young guys with accounting degrees decide to go into the baseball card business at the same time their parents get booted from ebay? They say no one can claim to have done business with them in the past yet they also say they have collected their whole life. They have Battlefield NM-M in appearance cards that they refuse to send off for grading. Paypal not accepted.

And then one of them dropped the "God bless" card.

Good luck fellas.

Peter_Spaeth · #10 03-08-2018, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

So two young guys with accounting degrees decide to go into the baseball card business at the same time their parents get booted from ebay? They say no one can claim to have done business with them in the past yet they also say they have collected their whole life. They have Battlefield NM-M in appearance cards that they refuse to send off for grading. Paypal not accepted.

And then one of them dropped the "God bless" card.

Good luck fellas.

And don't forget, no recourse if you or a TPG disagrees with their grade. Hardly a theoretical concern given the origin of the cards and the NM I mean EX 55 Mantle we saw yesterday.

bnorth · #11 03-08-2018, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And don't forget, no recourse if you or a TPG disagrees with their grade. Hardly a theoretical concern given the origin of the cards and the NM I mean EX 55 Mantle we saw yesterday.

Is there a single auction house that guarantees that a card will grade exactly the same as their estimate?

Bpm0014 · #12 03-08-2018, 01:01 PM

There is a Don Mattingly card that is described at "Mint +". Whatever that means?

conor912 · #13 03-08-2018, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bpm0014

There is a Don Mattingly card that is described at "Mint +". Whatever that means?

PSA 11. Just wait. It's coming.

CandimanAuctions · #14 03-09-2018, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Stonepony

I've been following this thread and likely was the one to direct the auctioneer to this thread. After reading opinions and examining the cards in the auction I have a couple thoughts. 1) Candiman auctions has shown willingess to engage in conversation that is quite heated and inflammatory, yet shown poise and respect. That's not easy to do. I understand they haven't complied with some posters request or answered all questions. I don't expect them to suddenly close an auction scheduled to close in a couple days and ship cards to PSA that is months and months behind on orders.

Dave,

Thank you for saying this. We have tried to be respectful of everyone who has posted in this thread. I understand that people are skeptical. That is completely understandable. If someone doesn't feel comfortable bidding in our auctions yet that is fine. All we ask is for the time to prove ourselves. I am very confident we will do so.

Thanks,

Daniel

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