Candiman Auctions Explained

horzverti · #1 03-05-2018, 08:04 PM

Thoughts:

-you started this thread to defend yourself only AFTER a Net54 user posted proof that your last name matches Battlefield’s name. That wasn’t being “upfront and honest.” That was you being reactive. Being “upfront and honest” would have been proactive, but it is too late for that.

-your parents taught you love the hobby. Did they also teach you how to deceive potential buyers?

-what about War Eagle on eBay? You didn’t mention that War Eagle was most likely the same seller as Battlefield. It seems that Candiman is your third attempt to con under a similar format. What will your next name be?....just so we know.

-you wrote, “we advised them to shut down their business.” I read that Battlefield was booted from eBay and that they didn’t voluntarily close their business. Are saying that they weren’t booted from eBay for fraud?

-it seems like you have a huge inventory of altered/trimmed cards to sell. Since you have so much $ and time invested in this ongoing con, you have no choice but to sell these cards to recoup $ = newly created auction house.

-it is interesting that you repeatedly referred to your parents as “Battlefield”, “them” or “they.” I encourage readers here to re-read the original post and substitute those words with the phrase “our parents.” I feel that you are just trying distract us into forgetting that you are “related” to con artists. I’d like to remind potential buyers here that they may be taking on too much of a risk of fraud at its worst and just a headache at its best.

-I feel that there may not be a Daniel or Justin at all. Just the same people trying to deceive collectors by using a slightly different format. Maybe Daniel/Justin were the original culprits all along. If so, then why would they start being honest now?

-I was never ripped off by Battlefield, but they tried their best to try to rip me off. I bought some cards which turned out to be heavily photoshopped. I contacted Battlefield twice through eBay and didn’t receive a response. I returned the cards through eBay and eBay had to force them to refund $. A few weeks later the same cards were sold again using the same photos. Deception, attempted fraud, zero customer service, then more deception.

If you become an honest seller(s), then I wish you luck.

cardsnstuff · #2 03-05-2018, 08:26 PM

Brothers Battle:

If you are sincere about starting over and undoing so many wrongs; which, if true, I think is admirable; how about accepting paypal? I saw on your on rules page that specifically you do not; Paypal has built in buyer protections, at least until you have demonstrated good faith. That way us buyers have protection, in case "family" history repeats itself.

bbcardzman · #3 03-05-2018, 08:35 PM

Can't believe these guys are starting an auction house and using their real names. Smart business move!! I agree with many on this forum. Carol tried to scam me a few years ago also and only thanks to paypal and not eBay was I able to get my money back. I, for one, don't buy into any of this crap. If I was a betting man, my money would be on - different forum - same old crap. Can't wait to see all the feedback on this auction, if anyone here would even participate. Although now that they are not protected by eBay, guess they had better be on the up-and-up. Mail fraud is a serious offense.

Peter_Spaeth · #4 03-05-2018, 08:39 PM

Even if you believed it, who would go on a public forum and call their parents' actions "despicable"? The same parents who are supplying them with most of their material. This whole thing seems odd to me.

ullmandds · #5 03-05-2018, 08:49 PM

I was duped by battlefield...with deceptive scans and inaccurate descriptions. I DID get my money back and after that steared far clear of them. With their history...in my opinion your endeavor is doomed and i will not be doing business with you. Id consider changing the name too..sounds like a drugdealer!

Beastmode · #6 03-05-2018, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Even if you believed it, who would go on a public forum and call their parents' actions "despicable"? The same parents who are supplying them with most of their material. This whole thing seems odd to me.

Exactly. Looks like his name is Daniel Battles. He's had Candiman, Inc. since 2011. I'm guessing Candiman Auctions is rolled into his vast conglomerate, similar to Berkshire

. Smoke and mirrors. This whole story is hard to believe, IMO. If you're buying anything in this auction, you're begging to be screwed.

111gecko · #7 03-05-2018, 08:55 PM

Just a quick question. Has anyone confirmed it was actually the parents and not the brothers running the EBay account?

DJR · #8 03-05-2018, 09:18 PM

Mason Cole Battles - Are you related?

http://www.dothaneagle.com/news/crim...7a43b2370.html

BeanTown · #9 03-05-2018, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJR

Mason Cole Battles - Are you related?

http://www.dothaneagle.com/news/crim...7a43b2370.html

Or is Peter Nash involved in any way with past or present auctions?

Piratedogcardshows · #10 03-05-2018, 09:20 PM

My parents would have to do way more than be bad eBay sellers for me to "disavow" them. Best of luck with the auction house guys.

OriolesHOF · #11 03-06-2018, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by horzverti

Thoughts:

-you started this thread to defend yourself only AFTER a Net54 user posted proof that your last name matches Battlefield�s name. That wasn�t being �upfront and honest.� That was you being reactive. Being �upfront and honest� would have been proactive, but it is too late for that.

-your parents taught you love the hobby. Did they also teach you how to deceive potential buyers?

-what about War Eagle on eBay? You didn�t mention that War Eagle was most likely the same seller as Battlefield. It seems that Candiman is your third attempt to con under a similar format. What will your next name be?....just so we know.

-you wrote, �we advised them to shut down their business.� I read that Battlefield was booted from eBay and that they didn�t voluntarily close their business. Are saying that they weren�t booted from eBay for fraud?

-it seems like you have a huge inventory of altered/trimmed cards to sell. Since you have so much $ and time invested in this ongoing con, you have no choice but to sell these cards to recoup $ = newly created auction house.

-it is interesting that you repeatedly referred to your parents as �Battlefield�, �them� or �they.� I encourage readers here to re-read the original post and substitute those words with the phrase �our parents.� I feel that you are just trying distract us into forgetting that you are �related� to con artists. I�d like to remind potential buyers here that they may be taking on too much of a risk of fraud at its worst and just a headache at its best.

-I feel that there may not be a Daniel or Justin at all. Just the same people trying to deceive collectors by using a slightly different format. Maybe Daniel/Justin were the original culprits all along. If so, then why would they start being honest now?

-I was never ripped off by Battlefield, but they tried their best to try to rip me off. I bought some cards which turned out to be heavily photoshopped. I contacted Battlefield twice through eBay and didn�t receive a response. I returned the cards through eBay and eBay had to force them to refund $. A few weeks later the same cards were sold again using the same photos. Deception, attempted fraud, zero customer service, then more deception.

If you become an honest seller(s), then I wish you luck.

Curt, I believe your assessment of the situation to be spot on. Master manipulation by the Ebay first family of photoshopped, altered cards in an attempt to sell NET54 members a bag of dog $hit in hopes they'll be happy they bought it.

Peter_Spaeth · #12 03-06-2018, 07:57 PM

yep, buy a raw high end expensive card, that we didn't submit for grading and won't say why, from battlefield's relatives, from battlefield's inventory, with a smallish scan, no recourse if you or a tpg disagree with our grade, we have no hobby experience or reputation, but trust us

sorry hope I am wrong but that's where I am despite the pitch

irv · #13 03-06-2018, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

with all the smooth talk and reassurances and self-promoting narrative, I am still waiting for the explanation why you would choose not to grade cards that obviously would be worth substantially more if in fact they are in the condition you claim.

I'm beginning to think these guys like "dodgeball" more than they like Baseball.

Guys, (Candiman) I think it's too late now anyways as you lost anything you had with me by dodging this question, repeatedly.

egbeachley · #14 03-06-2018, 08:21 PM

If I was a consignor for a group of $100 - $500 cards, I would not want to spend roughly $25 per card for grading which I probably wouldn't recoup with higher sales. And that's on top of waiting another 4 months to get paid since that's how long it is taking to get back cards from PSA.

Peter_Spaeth · #15 03-06-2018, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by egbeachley

If I was a consignor for a group of $100 - $500 cards, I would not want to spend roughly $25 per card for grading which I probably wouldn't recoup with higher sales. And that's on top of waiting another 4 months to get paid since that's how long it is taking to get back cards from PSA.

And yet countless dealers find it profitable to grade their cards in this range.

PiratesWS1979 · #16 03-06-2018, 09:46 PM

Personally I think this is all worthless banter. They REALLY don�t care what a small percentage of the hobby says or does
about their new auction site. They knew coming on here that very few if any would ever participate in the auction.

Heck why would they care, battlefield made all their money hoping a few people would not notice the Photoshop. If the
buyer did and left a negative, just relist it along with 100 $5 cards�.POOF 99% feedback, just like magic!!

Now with an auction site they have the operating and maintenance expense but don�t pay eBay fees plus received
buyer/seller(if any) fees. Remember, this is the third way they are trying to �sell� cards in the last six months. Once again,
there are a lot of happy people who bought from them off eBay so we just don�t matter.

Now I hope I�m wrong and you are really trying to right the wrongs�but you�re doing a REALLY terrible job at it.
Listing any of battlefield/war_eagle inventory should never happen. Also, any card of significant value should be graded
and a description of �appears� should never be used PERIOD

I have bought �57 Topps commons from battlefield with good results. I also bought �55 Topps were the solid colors were
ALL PHOTOSHOPPED. I even bought a graded card from War_Eagle and was very happy.

bobbyw8469 · #17 03-07-2018, 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by egbeachley

If I was a consignor for a group of $100 - $500 cards, I would not want to spend roughly $25 per card for grading which I probably wouldn't recoup with higher sales. And that's on top of waiting another 4 months to get paid since that's how long it is taking to get back cards from PSA.

The group sub was entered in Nov 11th....we are still waiting as of March 6th.

botport · #18 03-07-2018, 06:53 AM

Does anyone here want to admit that they are one of the fifteen individuals consigning to Candiman Auctions? Or possibly someone just knows anyone that is consigning?

I doubt it.

As it appears to me, this is just a rebranding of the family business model as laid out lucidly by numerous members in this thread.

Frank Horv@th

egbeachley · #19 03-07-2018, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

The group sub was entered in Nov 11th....we are still waiting as of March 6th.

My 4-months estimate was based on using the 10-day service

I sent out a package from their Jan Special and it still isn't logged in yet

CandimanAuctions · #20 03-07-2018, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by egbeachley

If I was a consignor for a group of $100 - $500 cards, I would not want to spend roughly $25 per card for grading which I probably wouldn't recoup with higher sales. And that's on top of waiting another 4 months to get paid since that's how long it is taking to get back cards from PSA.

Thank you for pointing this out Eric. Almost every item in the auction falls into the category you are talking about. The consignor wants everything sold. They don't want to spend a lot of money on grading fees and have to wait months to get them back from PSA.

Thanks,

Daniel

CandimanAuctions · #21 03-07-2018, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irv

I'm beginning to think these guys like "dodgeball" more than they like Baseball.

Guys, (Candiman) I think it's too late now anyways as you lost anything you had with me by dodging this question, repeatedly.

We haven't dodged any questions Dale. We have nothing to hide. Please see my response to Peter in an earlier post.

Thanks,

Daniel

pokerplyr80 · #22 03-06-2018, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

yep, buy a raw high end expensive card, that we didn't submit for grading and won't say why, from battlefield's relatives, from battlefield's inventory, with a smallish scan, no recourse if you or a tpg disagree with our grade, we have no hobby experience or reputation, but trust us

sorry hope I am wrong but that's where I am despite the pitch

That about sums it up. I'm having a hard time understanding why everyone doesn't see this. I get that less educates buyers will bid thinking they can buy, grade, and flip these cards for a profit. Guys on this site should know better. Caveat emptor.

BeanTown · #23 03-06-2018, 08:26 PM

Why would any consignor give you cards when you tell potential buyers good luck, and I hope you win the card at a cheap price?

There are many old skool collections out there that have not been slabbed yet. So, why would any consignor give a new auction house some nice cards and not worry about grading or trying to maximize their investment????

111gecko · #24 03-06-2018, 08:34 PM

Didn't look, but I assume the buyer premium is +/- 20%.
Auction houses are in this to make money:
Sell a questionable 52T Jackie raw for $1,500 and make a $300 fee.
Sell a NM graded 52T Jackie for $7,000 and make a $1,400 fee.
Why grade them???..maybe they are in it for the love of the hobby only?

egbeachley · #25 03-06-2018, 08:37 PM

I said $100 - $500 cards which seems to be the range of most cards in this auction. Not the exceptional few.

slidekellyslide · #26 03-06-2018, 08:44 PM

Wow...just wow. What are two young guys with accounting degrees doing getting into the baseball card business when their parents are known as two of the most notorious scammers in hobby history?

Starting off by selling what appears to be a NM-M Mantle in RAW form???

If they were honestly trying to prove they are not chips off the old block then all of those high end looking cards would be encapsulated or described as altered.

No way is this business on the up and up.

CandimanAuctions · #27 03-07-2018, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OriolesHOF

Curt, I believe your assessment of the situation to be spot on. Master manipulation by the Ebay first family of photoshopped, altered cards in an attempt to sell NET54 members a bag of dog $hit in hopes they'll be happy they bought it.

Hal,

You couldn't be more mistaken. I look forward to proving you wrong.

Thanks,

Daniel

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