Just Another 1952 Mantle PSA 9

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ergoism

I'll take them all, they're all great cards. How do you know any of them are not altered? If you're going to throw around words like that on the most valuable thing I own I'm afraid I'm triggered and will have to request that you identify yourself in your posts per forum rules.

He and I had several PMs as soon as I saw his post which was right after he did it (I believe). That was the impetus for the other thread I started too. He has edited out his response to be much more generic. He was asked to edit it out, or put his full name out here, so I can't really mandate that now that it is edited. However, if whomever wants to know someones name and they had a comment directed their way, I will usually tell them with the condition they don't make the name public. That would defeat the purpose of the option to the member in the first place. I explained the litmus test too. It was over on this one.

[irv]

I see someone edited their post but like their original, I too, when I think of "The Wagner", think of it as being trimmed.

Maybe I am being biased as I love 52's and own a Mantle, but that card screams nostalgia to me.

If I had the money where 4 million wasn't necessarily a big deal to me, I wouldn't hesitate to purchase that one!

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by irv

I see someone edited their post but like their original, I too, when I think of "The Wagner", think of it as being trimmed.

Maybe I am being biased as I love 52's and own a Mantle, but that card screams nostalgia to me.

If I had the money where 4 million wasn't necessarily a big deal to me, I wouldn't hesitate to purchase that one!

I am one of those weird guys, even if I had the $ I would be just as happy with the 52 Mantle Dale owns as the PSA9. I am very happy that condition means very little to me.

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by ergoism

This was pretty much the decision that was made when I consigned it.

Really, really good decision!

Enjoy the house on the lake with the pasture and barn,

Larry

[brian1961]

Originally Posted by ergoism

Anyone who has seen this card in person would be excited about it. It's a true 9 and is the best centered of the 6 in existence. I don't buy flips, I buy cards.

Evan, this is truly one of the most stunning cards in our hobby. "An exciting card" is really an understatement. Our lads here have a tendency to talk smack at the most inappropriate moments. I wish you the very best, sir, on this enormous consignment. It must be a tough one to part with, but the time must come for any of us to .....

Have a great day. ----Brian Powell

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by CW

slightly better image until the auction hits

whats the deal with the other mantle to the right????

[darwinbulldog]

Meh, that's probably like a PSA 7.5 or something. Not worth your time.

[hangman62]

interesting topic in the PRE WWII section. Should we move it

[Leon]

Originally Posted by hangman62

interesting topic in the PRE WWII section. Should we move it

If I hadn't just banned you I would now.

[BengoughingForAwhile]

Originally Posted by hangman62

interesting topic in the PRE WWII section. Should we move it

Ralph, check out Steve's link in Post #100 in this thread.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by BengoughingForAwhile

Ralph, check out Steve's link in Post #100 in this thread.

Ralph seems to have confused this place with some place that puts up with a lot of crap.

[AGuinness]

Anybody else notice that the end of the description has a list of currencies one can use to pay for this beauty, including Bitcoin?

"BTC, ETH, XRP, BCH, LTC, NEO, DASH, IOTA, & EOS."

I can't even identify another one without Googling it...

[darwinbulldog]

Might be kinda fun to take your $4 million payment in Bitcoins and check back in a few years to see if you've become a billionaire or a cautionary tale.

[Misunderestimated]

If there are PSA 10s and that one is a "just" a 9 -- what could possibly be the difference.
I love to (in person) see them side by side and hear someone with "insight" explain the difference to me.

It is such an iconic card.... I've always "liked" his 53 Bowman more aesthetically. As a collector my tastes (like most people here) run towards older and, perhaps, less "perfect" cards that were lucky to have survived at least one World War....

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

Might be kinda fun to take your $4 million payment in Bitcoins and check back in a few years to see if you've become a billionaire or a cautionary tale.

I think if you sit on 4m in btc, eth or ltc even until the end of this year you'll be pleased with the results. Right now is a good time to get in if you've been sitting on the fence.

[ruth-gehrig]

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...umbnail-071515

[Leon]

Originally Posted by AGuinness

Anybody else notice that the end of the description has a list of currencies one can use to pay for this beauty, including Bitcoin?

"BTC, ETH, XRP, BCH, LTC, NEO, DASH, IOTA, & EOS."

I can't even identify another one without Googling it...

Go Evan!! Bitcoin is the safe bet according to a lot of people. I am not quite there yet. And a 3.5M estimate. I hope it goes for much more.

[ls7plus]

This occurred to me last night--I certainly wouldn't trade my 1907 Fielding Pose Cobb or 1907 Wolverine News Cobb, nor my 1939 V351 Ted Williams for it. Might be too tough to replace those. Wander what Orly would say about his magnificant Cobb collection vs this card? Of course, that's just me and my preference for really rare, period, rather than a condition rarity, where thousands of other lesser examples of the card exist. But good luck to Evan--hope it does really, really well! Sometimes it is time to cash in!

May collecting bring you happiness, in any shape or form,

Larry

[MattyC]

Originally Posted by ls7plus

his magnificant Cobb collection vs this card

Why is it, "vs." ?

A gorgeous card is simply for sale. It is not playing a baseball game or MMA match against any other card or cards.

[ls7plus]

Why is it not? A question of collecting priorities always factors into a decision to buy one card over another, to keep one card over another, and into determining the large picture goals of your collecting. Unless, that is, a collector simply buys cards at random, and I don't think there are many of those in our hobby. So certainly my last post posed an interesting philosophic question within the collecting context.

Regards,

Larry

[Peter_Spaeth]

Is it always "or?"
Is it never "and?"

-- Stephen Sondheim, Into the Woods

[frankbmd]

What’s the meaning is, or what the meaning of or is.

That is the question.

[WWG]

Let the bidding begin.

Current bid:
$875,000
w/ Buyer's Premium (BP) : $1,050,000.00

[clydepepper]

Maybe 'can't remember the guy's name' can trade his Mark McGuire 70th Homerun Ball for it?

Some really serious thinking going on....NOT!

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Todd McFarlane?

[GasHouseGang]

Wow, at $1.4 million with 27 days to go. Here are the pics of the card.

[hshrimps]

I am looking for a PSA10. PSA9 is not good enough.

[iowadoc77]

Originally Posted by hshrimps

I am looking for a PSA10. PSA9 is not good enough.

Sounds like the 10 doesn’t look as good as this 9. Incredible centering on this one.

[TheNightmanCometh]

I mean, that card is absolutely amazing, which goes without saying, but I will anyways, LOL.

Perfect centering throughout, vibrate coloring, just the perfect card.

I hope to one day have the discretionary income to purchase such a card.

And to the seller, I hope it brings in all the money you hope for.

[steve B]

An interesting article, full of errors as usual, at least one apparently from the Heritage director of sports auctions --- Really, rookie card?! And he runs the sports dept.... https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...card/33238039/

[sycks22]

Has to be fun to make over a million bucks on a card purchase.

[RedsFan1941]

Originally Posted by hshrimps

I am looking for a PSA10. PSA9 is not good enough.

oh for pete's sake!

[bxb]

Just a spectacular card.

Hard to imagine the 10s are better.

Best of luck with the sale, Evan.

[Jdoggs]

Now at 2.16 million with buyers premium.

[glchen]

Interesting thing about this auction lot to me is that they accept cryptocurrency like bitcoin as payment. I had not seen that before from an auction house.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by glchen

Interesting thing about this auction lot to me is that they accept cryptocurrency like bitcoin as payment. I had not seen that before from an auction house.

Bitcoin fluctuates wildly even within a single day.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by glchen

Interesting thing about this auction lot to me is that they accept cryptocurrency like bitcoin as payment. I had not seen that before from an auction house.

A lot of people made tons of money last year in crypto. It makes sense that on a card of this caliber the consigned would request that the AH accept it as payment. I don't believe any auction house normally does as a policy, but wouldn't be surprised to see it added in the near future.

[Santo10Fan]

Originally Posted by glchen

Interesting thing about this auction lot to me is that they accept cryptocurrency like bitcoin as payment. I had not seen that before from an auction house.

So the seller is swapping investments-card for crypto?? I would be doing the opposite. It had to have been a take-it-or-leave-it condition for Heritage to accept those terms. Unprecedented. Seller must have signed a contract to agree to cough up seller's premium in USD as a reimbursement. Since crypto is peer-to-peer this is the only way it could work. Buyer pays seller direct, no middleman. If it's a state with HA sales tax collected this is going to be even more complicated. How in the heck would HA deal with the buyer premium though? I bet HA is praying they get a buyer who pays USD.

[bounce]

Originally Posted by ergoism

This was pretty much the decision that was made when I consigned it.

What a great card, I also saw it at the National and it's really stunning.

I'd be more interested in - why Heritage?

Maybe Evan can't really discuss that, or wouldn't necessarily want to, which I would get.

But if he could/would, I wouldn't mind hearing how that decision was made. Why not PWCC or someone else via eBay (I remember all the special attention when the Superman comic was auctioned via eBay). Maybe Memory Lane? I might be leaving one or two other options out, but it's certainly a short list of 4-5 choices.

I don't imagine it was just as simple as say lowest sellers premium, because each of these auction houses also have different rules. I couldn't bid on this, but Heritage is always a bummer for me in Texas because I get hit with the sales tax - as a result I rarely end up winning auctions there but I'm 2nd/3rd quite often.

Anyway, just wondering.

[ergoism]

Originally Posted by Santo10Fan

So the seller is swapping investments-card for crypto?? I would be doing the opposite. It had to have been a take-it-or-leave-it condition for Heritage to accept those terms. Unprecedented. Seller must have signed a contract to agree to cough up seller's premium in USD as a reimbursement. Since crypto is peer-to-peer this is the only way it could work. Buyer pays seller direct, no middleman. If it's a state with HA sales tax collected this is going to be even more complicated. How in the heck would HA deal with the buyer premium though? I bet HA is praying they get a buyer who pays USD.

If the winning bidder pays in crypto, they'll send me the crypto, and I'll pay HA their commission in USD. Crypto is very liquid even though it's volatile so I'm not trying to do a straight up swap. I have enough exposure in that space already. I'll convert most of the proceeds to USD, pay HA, pay for my house, and go on a card shopping spree.

[ergoism]

Originally Posted by bounce

What a great card, I also saw it at the National and it's really stunning.

I'd be more interested in - why Heritage?

Maybe Evan can't really discuss that, or wouldn't necessarily want to, which I would get.

But if he could/would, I wouldn't mind hearing how that decision was made. Why not PWCC or someone else via eBay (I remember all the special attention when the Superman comic was auctioned via eBay). Maybe Memory Lane? I might be leaving one or two other options out, but it's certainly a short list of 4-5 choices.

I don't imagine it was just as simple as say lowest sellers premium, because each of these auction houses also have different rules. I couldn't bid on this, but Heritage is always a bummer for me in Texas because I get hit with the sales tax - as a result I rarely end up winning auctions there but I'm 2nd/3rd quite often.

Anyway, just wondering.

These are good questions, there are a few factors that led to me choosing Heritage.
1. I ultimately decided to sell the card to buy family our dream home and HA had no problem advancing me the money to do so.
2. I thought that Heritage would be the best at getting the exposure the card deserves. I use PWCC and Probstein for the vast majority of my sales but I didn't want to roll the dice in such a limited time frame of 10 days. I do recall the Action Comics #1 CGC 9.0 you're referring to that was auctioned on eBay so the idea of PWCC or someone else on eBay is not asinine.
3. I had a nice discussion with Chris Ivy at HA and proposed the crytpocurrency idea which could open the door to a few more bidders. Him being receptive to that helped my decision.
4. And lastly, as this card is auctioning, I'm like a kid in a candy store bidding in their auction.

I did consider other auction houses like Goldin since they've done some impressive numbers on elite items. In the end, my gut was to go to HA and let it fly no reserve. Whatever happens, this is a really fun experience.

[barrysloate]

Heritage will get top dollar on this one, no need for concern.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Heritage will get top dollar on this one, no need for concern.

No doubt. They have become the dominant auction house IMO, with an astonishing selection each major auction. I still think they should tone down those way overbright scans, but why would they listen to me lol.

[iowadoc77]

There really is nothing like getting catalogs for Heritage and REA. The stuff they continually get is phenomenal. Best of luck Evan. Mantle is really cranking! And congrats on the dream house.

[Cooptown]

USA Today article on the sale:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...card/33238039/

[JeremyW]

I give the guy credit for selling the most important public offering since the Gretzky Wagner.

[hshrimps]

Received my Intelligent Collector magazine from HA and it also feature this PSA9 Mantle.. However, why did they put the card in the middle of two pages and image got crop off/bind together and completely ruin the image of this beauty???

What were they thinking??? I could only see 2/3 of the card technically.

(Sorry, not sure how to post pic from my phone to this board)

[1952boyntoncollector]

Im sure Courtney is going to try to snipe the card at the very end..

[AGuinness]

Originally Posted by ergoism

and go on a card shopping spree.

I’d like to be a fly in the wall as you do that.

Thanks for being so accessible with answers to all the questions. It’s interesting to peek behind the curtain, so to speak.




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[mark evans]

I'm sure this appears somewhere on the Board, but could someone please advise of the top 5 sales of cards in order of price, whether by auction or private sale?

Thanks.