The 1935 Babe Ruth Goudey card that never was

[ullmandds]

I did read all the documentation...and I understand the significance or lack thereof of each. If you don't mind me asking what the reserve was when sale was attempted recently?

[joshuanip]

Not really a fair request to put on a message board as to what my reserve price was.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by joshuanip

Not really a fair request to put on a message board as to what my reserve price was.

fair enough...my point being if this was a one of a kind, ruth "proof" and the evidence to support this was a "slam dunk"...as hot as ruth items are these days...I'd assume it would sell rather briskly.

[RedsFan1941]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

fair enough...my point being if this was a one of a kind, ruth "proof" and the evidence to support this was a "slam dunk"...as hot as ruth items are these days...I'd assume it would sell rather briskly.

exactly. The fact that it didn’t sell at auction tells me all I need to know.

[joshuanip]

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

exactly. The fact that it didn’t sell at auction tells me all I need to know.

Red, it didnt sell because it didnt reach my reserve.

And by the way, its fun to be skeptical (and hueristic) on something you dont own. So you look at shortcuts and make quick judgments. But if you are calling a piece out, provide evidence that refutes the piece, not opinion please. Otherwise, I think this piece has a lot of support on it's provenance.

All this is not related to why I was sharing the piece initially...

[bigtrain]

Let's say that in 1990, at the time of the SCD article, Julia Ruth Stevens,
then a mere 74 years old was asked about this piece. Why would she
remember anything about the circumstances involving a photo from 56 years earlier? Why would this stick in the memory of Babe's 18 year old daughter?
I have no idea whether this piece is legitimate. However, I don't think Ms. Steven's certificate adds much to the proofs.

[joshuanip]

Hi Tom,

The statement from Ruth's daughter has nothing to do with the proof. All she says was that Goudey was going to do a premium card for her father but was not made because he left the Yankees.

Does not prove the piece and remembering a very disappointing point in her father's life was plausible, as he was hoping for the manager job with the yankees. It does prove that there was to be a Goudey premium with Ruth as Yankee in 1935.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by bigtrain

Let's say that in 1990, at the time of the SCD article, Julia Ruth Stevens,
then a mere 74 years old was asked about this piece. Why would she
remember anything about the circumstances involving a photo from 56 years earlier? Why would this stick in the memory of Babe's 18 year old daughter?
I have no idea whether this piece is legitimate. However, I don't think Ms. Steven's certificate adds much to the proofs.

I tend to agree with this sentiment on the JRS document...then again if this DID happen and she were highly aware of her dads escapades...it's a story you'd remember.

Obviously when any of us own a piece we want it to be rare...and valuable...because we own it! I think we're all guilty of that phenomenon. Are there any other "proof" 35 goudeys that appear similar to this? I have not been able to find a comparable. It'd be great if you could get a high res scan of it so we could see more of the detail of the alterations.

The crux was to show off your piece...it's a cool piece...and the fact it raises a lot of questions makes it a lot more interesting than "look at my new t206!"

I am not super familiar with the 35 premiums. Are most of the poses shared with 33 goudey poses?

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by joshuanip

Red, it didnt sell because it didnt reach my reserve.



All this is not related to why I was sharing the piece initially...

Why were you sharing the piece originally then? I am confused by the Red Sox comment/comparison. Was it to get feedback or to find a buyer?
Whatever the reason, i am glad you did as it is certainly a convo piece regardless of origin.

Were you able to get better scans of the artwork copy? Would be interesting to see.

[joshuanip]

Originally Posted by Forever Young

Why were you sharing the piece originally then? I am confused by the Red Sox comment/comparison. Was it to get feedback or to find a buyer?
Whatever the reason, i am glad you did as it is certainly a convo piece regardless of origin.

Were you able to get better scans of the artwork copy? Would be interesting to see.

I was sharing the piece because I was bored. Not looking to sell it, just a cool thing to discuss on a board like this. So I guess feedback. If anything, it reinforces what I know about the piece.

Yeah, I wasn't too clear on the Red Sox comment, I meant that everything with Ruth in the beginning of his career is hot, wanted to show something with a story at the back end of his career. Has nothing to do with Red Sox and everything to do with I suck as a writer when using this board as escapism when having a rough day at work.

Sure, I post a closer scan, only thing is its in a room with little lighting. I will see what I can do.