Reviewing the T206 150-only subjects....with a "twist"......show us some cards

[tedzan]

Hi Steve B.

Thanks guy, that is the ledger excerpt I was referring to (I meant to say 1909, instead of 1910). I have seen other very similar ledger excerpts
such as this one which included sample card(s) and similar handwriting, which were identified as American Lithographic (ALC) documents.

This specific document (which I referred to, that you posted) is very likely from ALC. A 150-only subject (Reulbach) is included, and it refers to
shipping information of Sweet Cap cards. All the early T206 card production were printed and shipped directly from ALC to the various cigarette
factories.

Thanks again,


TED Z

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[tedzan]

Well, since none of these 150-only series cards have been posted here yet, here are 5 of them from my PIEDMONT set......








TED Z

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[tedzan]

With the 5 guys pictured in the prior post, plus these 6 guys, that completes my 150-only series subjects. Of course, I'm missing the 12th guy....the Wagner card.











TED Z

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[tedzan]

Presented here is a theory of mine that I expect will stir up some controversy.

American Lithographic replaced the Wagner image on their 150-only series sheet with this Schulte (front view) image.

Yes, the criticism that I expect from some of you is that this Schulte is part of the Elite 11 group. Well, I say do not be
so quick to dismiss my proposition. For it has not been proven that one Schulte with a PIEDMONT 350 back is not just
a mis-printed error. The cards of Elite 11 group are defined by having a PIEDMONT 350 back and an EPDG back.

And, until I see this Schulte with an EPDG back, I consider this card a 150-only series subject.

Feel free to discuss this issue.



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TED Z

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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Presented here is a theory of mine that I expect will stir up some controversy.

American Lithographic replaced the Wagner image on their 150-only series sheet with this Schulte (front view) image.

Yes, the criticism that I expect from some of you is that this Schulte is part of the Elite 11 group. Well, I say do not be
so quick to dismiss my proposition. For it has not been proven that one Schulte with a PIEDMONT 350 back is not just
a mis-printed error. The cards of Elite 11 group are defined by having a PIEDMONT 350 back and an EPDG back.

And, until I see this Schulte with an EPDG back, I consider this card a 150-only series subject.

Feel free to discuss this issue.



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TED Z

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Schulte is a plate scratch match with Waddell (Portrait) on this plate scratch
sheet.

https://photos.imageevent.com/patric...ts/C-D%201.jpg

Schulte-Waddell 1.jpg

Schulte-Waddell 2.jpg

Schulte-Waddell 3.jpg

There were two different front's printed using the same back plate for this
plate scratch sheet. Based on the information from this sheet in my opinion
I think Waddell was on one front plate (B) with Wagner and Schulte was on
the other front plate (A).

C-D Sheet B.jpg

C-D Sheet A - Copy.jpg

C-D Strip with Wagner Strip - Copy.jpg

I'm looking for a scratch to confirm this but I think Doc White (portrait)
might have been the subject that replaced Wagner. There are a couple
of other possible candidates but there are a few things that suggest
it could be White.

[tedzan]

Hi Pat

Very interesting, thanks for posting your scans.

Especially, the horizontal strip of 15 cards which includes the ten 150-only subjects and Schulte....but, not Powers.
Can I assume that this scan appears to support my thesis stated in post #1 and post #12 ? ?

Also, I guess any kind of PIEDMONT 150 plate scratch information on Plank and Wagner is obviously not available.

Sorry that my Schulte doesn't have any plate scratches to match with your's.

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Incidentally......
Regarding the Waddell portrait card, I've always wondered why this card is the only one in the 150 series with
a deep Blue background (similar to the 350 and 460 series cards) ?
All the other Blue background cards in the 150 series were printed with a pale or lighter Blue color.


150 series....................................350 series




TED Z

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[rats60]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Presented here is a theory of mine that I expect will stir up some controversy.

American Lithographic replaced the Wagner image on their 150-only series sheet with this Schulte (front view) image.

Yes, the criticism that I expect from some of you is that this Schulte is part of the Elite 11 group. Well, I say do not be
so quick to dismiss my proposition. For it has not been proven that one Schulte with a PIEDMONT 350 back is not just
a mis-printed error. The cards of Elite 11 group are defined by having a PIEDMONT 350 back and an EPDG back.

And, until I see this Schulte with an EPDG back, I consider this card a 150-only series subject.

Feel free to discuss this issue.



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TED Z

T206 Reference
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Is it possible that Plank replaced Wagner late in the 150 print run?

[Pat R]

Hi Ted,

Powell is on a different plate scratch sheet

this one...

https://photos.imageevent.com/patric...et%201A-1B.jpg

this is the other plate scratch sheet that the back was used on two sets of fronts. One sheet is all SC649 subjects and the other is all 649 no prints.

Shaw is the matching scratch to Powers

Powers-Shaw 1.jpg


actually two of the Plank Piedmonts have the same scratch but I
haven't found any scratches that they match up with.

Plank A.jpg
Plank B.jpg

Luke just did a four part article on his site that covers this and he does
a much better job of explaining it than I do.

http://www.thatt206life.com/