Reviewing the T206 150-only subjects....with a "twist"......show us some cards

[steve B]

I have that saved as well as a few other images of parts of the ledger.

It's not entirely clear that it's the baseball cards, but it is clear that Philadelphia was treated differently in some way.


What's interesting is that the other fragments have cards from a number of different factories. If it's actually a ledger from ATC, it might indicate that the cards stopped somewhere other than going direct to the cigarette factory. And that might indicate that they weren't all produced at ALC. (I think, but I'm not sure at the moment that ALC owned other plants besides the main one in NY.)

Or, it may not be an ATC ledger, but one from ALC.

Either possibility is very interesting.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by steve B

I have that saved as well as a few other images of parts of the ledger.

It's not entirely clear that it's the baseball cards, but it is clear that Philadelphia was treated differently in some way.


What's interesting is that the other fragments have cards from a number of different factories. If it's actually a ledger from ATC, it might indicate that the cards stopped somewhere other than going direct to the cigarette factory. And that might indicate that they weren't all produced at ALC. (I think, but I'm not sure at the moment that ALC owned other plants besides the main one in NY.)
Or, it may not be an ATC ledger, but one from ALC.

Either possibility is very interesting.

They owned quite a few other plants around that time period.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=205962

[tedzan]

Hi Steve B.

Thanks guy, that is the ledger excerpt I was referring to (I meant to say 1909, instead of 1910). I have seen other very similar ledger excerpts
such as this one which included sample card(s) and similar handwriting, which were identified as American Lithographic (ALC) documents.

This specific document (which I referred to, that you posted) is very likely from ALC. A 150-only subject (Reulbach) is included, and it refers to
shipping information of Sweet Cap cards. All the early T206 card production were printed and shipped directly from ALC to the various cigarette
factories.

Thanks again,


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[tedzan]

Well, since none of these 150-only series cards have been posted here yet, here are 5 of them from my PIEDMONT set......








TED Z

T206 Reference
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[tedzan]

With the 5 guys pictured in the prior post, plus these 6 guys, that completes my 150-only series subjects. Of course, I'm missing the 12th guy....the Wagner card.











TED Z

T206 Reference
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[tedzan]

Presented here is a theory of mine that I expect will stir up some controversy.

American Lithographic replaced the Wagner image on their 150-only series sheet with this Schulte (front view) image.

Yes, the criticism that I expect from some of you is that this Schulte is part of the Elite 11 group. Well, I say do not be
so quick to dismiss my proposition. For it has not been proven that one Schulte with a PIEDMONT 350 back is not just
a mis-printed error. The cards of Elite 11 group are defined by having a PIEDMONT 350 back and an EPDG back.

And, until I see this Schulte with an EPDG back, I consider this card a 150-only series subject.

Feel free to discuss this issue.



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TED Z

T206 Reference
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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Presented here is a theory of mine that I expect will stir up some controversy.

American Lithographic replaced the Wagner image on their 150-only series sheet with this Schulte (front view) image.

Yes, the criticism that I expect from some of you is that this Schulte is part of the Elite 11 group. Well, I say do not be
so quick to dismiss my proposition. For it has not been proven that one Schulte with a PIEDMONT 350 back is not just
a mis-printed error. The cards of Elite 11 group are defined by having a PIEDMONT 350 back and an EPDG back.

And, until I see this Schulte with an EPDG back, I consider this card a 150-only series subject.

Feel free to discuss this issue.



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TED Z

T206 Reference
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Schulte is a plate scratch match with Waddell (Portrait) on this plate scratch
sheet.

https://photos.imageevent.com/patric...ts/C-D%201.jpg

Schulte-Waddell 1.jpg

Schulte-Waddell 2.jpg

Schulte-Waddell 3.jpg

There were two different front's printed using the same back plate for this
plate scratch sheet. Based on the information from this sheet in my opinion
I think Waddell was on one front plate (B) with Wagner and Schulte was on
the other front plate (A).

C-D Sheet B.jpg

C-D Sheet A - Copy.jpg

C-D Strip with Wagner Strip - Copy.jpg

I'm looking for a scratch to confirm this but I think Doc White (portrait)
might have been the subject that replaced Wagner. There are a couple
of other possible candidates but there are a few things that suggest
it could be White.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Presented here is a theory of mine that I expect will stir up some controversy.

American Lithographic replaced the Wagner image on their 150-only series sheet with this Schulte (front view) image.

Yes, the criticism that I expect from some of you is that this Schulte is part of the Elite 11 group. Well, I say do not be
so quick to dismiss my proposition. For it has not been proven that one Schulte with a PIEDMONT 350 back is not just
a mis-printed error. The cards of Elite 11 group are defined by having a PIEDMONT 350 back and an EPDG back.

And, until I see this Schulte with an EPDG back, I consider this card a 150-only series subject.

Feel free to discuss this issue.



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TED Z

T206 Reference
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Is it possible that Plank replaced Wagner late in the 150 print run?