365 Days of Roberto Clemente

[rats60]

This is a piece of original artwork that I bought from Topps back in 2001. It was a card of Roberto Clemente and one of our newest Hall of Famers, Vladamir Guerrero called "Latin Heat."

[docpatlv]

Rats,

Are you a Clemente collector also?

Day 26

Purchased this at a small local show and framed it myself. It is on heavy matte stock. Didn't know exactly what it was for years, but later learned that it was a poster for a telethon in the 70s. My example has had the telethon info cut out.

ca. early 1970s Pittsburgh Telethon Poster...

[71buc]

Originally Posted by docpatlv

Rats,

Are you a Clemente collector also?

Day 26

Purchased this at a small local show and framed it myself. It is on heavy matte stock. Didn't know exactly what it was for years, but later learned that it was a poster for a telethon in the 70s. My example has had the telethon info cut out.

ca. early 1970s Pittsburgh Telethon Poster...

I just picked this one up it measures 15x22. I didnt know it existed until seeing it in this thread. May 24th was a Sunday in 1970 and 1981. WPTT-TV 22 first date on the air was September 26, 1978. Based on that I dated it as 1981 item. I then I did a bit of research and came across the Mar 25, 1981 Valley Independent Newspaper. Do you recall the auction you mentioned that contained the other complete poster you mentioned? Thanks for a great thread Mike!

[hcv123]

Clemente Rookie PSA 9 - last 2 according to PSA sold for 468K and 478K respectively - last night - 260K
https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...kedLots-101116

On the flip side an SGC 82 (6.5) sold for a whopping $8400!!

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...=MyBids-101116

A PSA 8 Yellow letter also sold way below past sales.

A few other high grade copies - didn't check them all against previous prices yet


Thoughts?

[rats60]

Originally Posted by hcv123

Clemente Rookie PSA 9 - last 2 according to PSA sold for 468K and 478K respectively - last night - 260K
https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...kedLots-101116

On the flip side an SGC 82 (6.5) sold for a whopping $8400!!

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...=MyBids-101116

A PSA 8 Yellow letter also sold way below past sales.

A few other high grade copies - didn't check them all against previous prices yet


Thoughts?

That 9 was pretty far off centered. I would rather have my centered 8. I know those other two 9s that sold higher were much better centered. The Heritage at 478K was discussed at the time and many, including me, thought that it was better than the one 10. The 8 sold for 30k which is more than recent sales and it wasn't even that well centered.

Clemente RCs have come down from when they were hyped 2 summers ago (as have all the other hyped RCs), but centered copies are still going to bring strong prices. People that bought off centered ones the first half of 2016 are going to get crushed if they sell today. I believe people are looking at those old label cards and realizing that they wouldn't bring those grades today and paying less for them.

[Empty77]

Originally Posted by hcv123

Clemente Rookie PSA 9 - last 2 according to PSA sold for 468K and 478K respectively - last night - 260K
https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...kedLots-101116

On the flip side an SGC 82 (6.5) sold for a whopping $8400!!

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...=MyBids-101116

A PSA 8 Yellow letter also sold way below past sales.

A few other high grade copies - didn't check them all against previous prices yet


Thoughts?

Sorry I'm arriving to this late. I followed the high end stuff for this HA event fairly close myself. To flesh out your list:
-the '58 wht letter in 9 went for more than recent copies, including the same Slusser copy from two years ago
-ditto the '71 in 9, about 30% more than recently
-the more easily to achieve 9s came in right around their typical range it seemed to me
-the '72 and '73 10s came in more or less along the spectrum of the past couple years as well
-the '69 super 10 went for much more than 'recently', though this was the first recorded sale in 2 yrs
-to me the real surprise was the '57 T salesman panel, which went for much more than I would have guessed, in part since it has no registry value except bragging rights. True there are only 2 cited publicly, so the scarcity is interesting, but they're sort of ugly IMO, in that they're not 'real' issues, complicated by unrelated non-stars attached, back has nothing to do with the front, and I guess I'll stop there. That said, I bid on it myself, pretty hard, and was very much surprised to be pushed into giving up on it--I just really didn't expect that. And since you asked, my one thought/theory is that there could be a new player in town?

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by Empty77

Sorry I'm arriving to this late. I followed the high end stuff for this HA event fairly close myself. To flesh out your list:
-the '58 wht letter in 9 went for more than recent copies, including the same Slusser copy from two years ago
-ditto the '71 in 9, about 30% more than recently
-the more easily to achieve 9s came in right around their typical range it seemed to me
-the '72 and '73 10s came in more or less along the spectrum of the past couple years as well
-the '69 super 10 went for much more than 'recently', though this was the first recorded sale in 2 yrs
-to me the real surprise was the '57 T salesman panel, which went for much more than I would have guessed, in part since it has no registry value except bragging rights. True there are only 2 cited publicly, so the scarcity is interesting, but they're sort of ugly IMO, in that they're not 'real' issues, complicated by unrelated non-stars attached, back has nothing to do with the front, and I guess I'll stop there. That said, I bid on it myself, pretty hard, and was very much surprised to be pushed into giving up on it--I just really didn't expect that. And since you asked, my one thought/theory is that there could be a new player in town?

That was me you were fighting with for the 57 panel!! I too wondered who the heck was on the "other side!" As I have expressed before, my collection is a lot more focused on the scarcity of an item than exactly how it fits into the registry. The only other copy of this 57 panel I have seen was purchased at auction years ago by Brian S. and was sold with his collection in 2016. That panel went for almost 3k when Brian sold it. The one Heritage just had although only graded "authentic" by PSA was in FAR superior condition. As I have been there many times, sorry to put you on the losing end of this one - but rest assured - it is in good hands.
There is a board member here who is very knowledgeable about the salesman panels and said that they are selling for a lot less now than they used to - even the Clemente with what I bought it for.
To me these things are WAY undervalued and underappreciated - With rare exception there are only 2-3 known of any given panel - rarer than many test issues and just as cool (imo). I picked up the 59 Mantle panel from REA also. I have the 1962 Clemente as well. All the best!

Howard

[Empty77]

Originally Posted by hcv123

That was me you were fighting with for the 57 panel!! I too wondered who the heck was on the "other side!"

Howard

Seriously?!--then we need to work on our communication!, rather than beating each other to a pulp over things. It must have been about 3a that the sleep-less delirium set in and I couldn't find the keypad anymore.

I'm very pleased you got it then, rather than falling into the hands of some of the jerk eBay sellers that grab things, slap a 5x BIN price on them, where they languish forever, essentially leaving collectible circulation---that sort of nonsense drives me bonkers.

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by 71buc

I just picked this one up it measures 15x22. I didnt know it existed until seeing it in this thread. May 24th was a Sunday in 1970 and 1981. WPTT-TV 22 first date on the air was September 26, 1978. Based on that I dated it as 1981 item. I then I did a bit of research and came across the Mar 25, 1981 Valley Independent Newspaper. Do you recall the auction you mentioned that contained the other complete poster you mentioned? Thanks for a great thread Mike!

It looks like that was cut down to fit in the frame? I own a couple of these. I believe your research is on point.

[Mark70Z]

Originally Posted by 71buc

I just picked this one up it measures 15x22. I didnt know it existed until seeing it in this thread. May 24th was a Sunday in 1970 and 1981. WPTT-TV 22 first date on the air was September 26, 1978. Based on that I dated it as 1981 item. I then I did a bit of research and came across the Mar 25, 1981 Valley Independent Newspaper. Do you recall the auction you mentioned that contained the other complete poster you mentioned? Thanks for a great thread Mike!

Mike,

That poster ad looks very cool!

[docpatlv]

Originally Posted by 71buc

I just picked this one up it measures 15x22. I didnt know it existed until seeing it in this thread. May 24th was a Sunday in 1970 and 1981. WPTT-TV 22 first date on the air was September 26, 1978. Based on that I dated it as 1981 item. I then I did a bit of research and came across the Mar 25, 1981 Valley Independent Newspaper. Do you recall the auction you mentioned that contained the other complete poster you mentioned? Thanks for a great thread Mike!

Great poster Mike!!! I saw that one for sale, I made an offer but was declined. Glad to see you ended up with it. I don’t remember where the other full poster I saw Was auctioned at, I just saved a photo of it. Congrats again!


Day 202


1971 Topps Super...

[docpatlv]

Day 203


1968 Atlantic Oil...

[docpatlv]

Day 204


1972 Milton Bradley...

[scotgreb]

Mike -

Your 1969 Milton Bradley appears to be a 1972. You can tell by the base of the red "1"s. It is much tougher than the 1969 and looks to be in great condition and pretty valuable IMO.

Scott

[Empty77]

Originally Posted by 71buc

I just picked this one up it measures 15x22. I didnt know it existed until seeing it in this thread. May 24th was a Sunday in 1970 and 1981. WPTT-TV 22 first date on the air was September 26, 1978. Based on that I dated it as 1981 item. I then I did a bit of research and came across the Mar 25, 1981 Valley Independent Newspaper.

FYI: Hunt has one right now, lot #282 finishing 7/9 in live format it seems, no bids yet.

[71buc]

I saw that one. It's has attracted some bidders as it's now at $520. That's almost twice what I paid for mine. It's hard to place a value on such items due to scarcity. It is a beautiful item if you are in to Clemente. I'm curious what it will bring in on Tuesday.

[docpatlv]

Michael & Mike,

It is a great poster, saw Mike post on the memorabilia side it's from 1981. Did not know that.

Speaking of posters, here's one from 2019. I just liked the way it looked. It's for The Clemente Museum block party. If you've never seen photos of the museum, its worth doing a search. He has some amazing Clemente items.

[Empty77]

Originally Posted by docpatlv

If you've never seen photos of the museum, its worth doing a search. He has some amazing Clemente items.

Thanks for the suggestion. Not being in the area, I did not know about the museum and although subconsciously probably presumed there were museums I had never made the effort to research it. Now that I know, I anticipate arranging to stop in when near enough or just planning a deliberate trip for it.

[Empty77]

Originally Posted by 71buc

I saw that one. It's has attracted some bidders as it's now at $520. That's almost twice what I paid for mine. It's hard to place a value on such items due to scarcity. It is a beautiful item if you are in to Clemente. I'm curious what it will bring in on Tuesday.

It is curious, since it had been live for days to weeks with no bids and a min bid of $100 if I recall, and then within a few hours of when I mentioned it here, it's up to $500...makes it appear I'm plugging it or have something invested in the outcome...which I don't other than it finds a good home. When I saw the lot I remembered the pic from this thread and the discussion that it was scarce and thought it worth mentioning in case one of the few dedicated readers here was on the lookout for one.

Also curious, and I may be wrong here, but I could swear that the lot description said "circa 1970s" yesterday before my post, and the reason I remember is because I chuckled to myself about it, knowing the discussion in this thread. Now the lot description reads "circa 1980s", which still hedges, but it certainly seems like someone from Hunts is scanning this forum (or a reader alerted them) and bothered to edit the write-up. Kudos to them for that. Too often the AH's don't bother to clarify mistakes pointed out to them, presumably when the original is perceived to be in their favor.