1951 Topps Red Back Panels

[Griffins]

were both variations of Holmes issued in panels? I have both Zernials, so assuming the updates were on the same print run I'd assume yes, but have yet to see both Holmes.

[packs]

I don't see why any one card would be issued separately from others.

[steve B]

there were two different print runs at least.

Does anyone know if the variations are exclusive to the whiter backs vs cream backs? And are the panels both, or just one or the other?

[packs]

I've opened up 5 packs of 1951 reds and they were all panels. I don't see why one individual card would not be issued as part of a panel.

[toppcat]

Red Back panel pairs:

1-26
2-25
3-21
4-43
5-16
6-31
7-12
8-47
9-41
10-32
11-24
13-17
14-18
15-35
19-50
20-40
22-52
23-44
27-34
28-48
29-39
30-46
33-51
36-42
37-49
38-45

Blue Back pairs:

1-40
2-12
3-11
4-17
5-37
6-35
7-10
8-25
9-13
14-29
15-42
16-41
18-24
19-34
20-33
21-32
22-44
23-26
27-43
28-46
30-31
36-49
38-47
39-50
45-51
48-52

Play the game:

Red Backs distribution of results:

Balk 1
Ball 18
Bunt 1
Bunt Sacrifice 1
Double 2
Fly Out 2
Foul Ball 3
Foul Out 1
Hit By Pitcher 1
Home Run 1
Out 2
Single 3
Stolen Base 2
Strike 12
Triple 2


Blue:

Balk 1
Ball 16
Bunt 1
Bunt Sacrifice 1
Double 1
Fly Out 2
Foul Ball 3
Foul Out 1
Hit By Pitcher 1
Home Run 1
Out 4
Single 3
Stolen Base 2
Strike 14
Triple 1

[ALR-bishop]

On CU there has been a recent thread by a guy who says he has red backs with different stocks in terms of color and thickness

[Volod]

Nifty research there by Dave. The only thing I knew for sure about the Red Back panels was that there were two panels used to help protect the delicate Connie Mack All-Star cards from the insidious caramel candy in the same package. Too bad Topps didn't show as much concern for the delicate teeth of its juvenile customers.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by packs

I've opened up 5 packs of 1951 reds and they were all panels. I don't see why one individual card would not be issued as part of a panel.

There are also some really common packs of 51s that contain singles.

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...pps-red-backs/

They are probably the same cards that are on the panels, but it's possible that one variation was on the panels and the other in the singles packs.

[ALR-bishop]

I have the packs and wrappers I posted above. The game pack has a whole set of red backs in panels, but my Doubles Pack, as Steve points out, has two separated cards. The wrappers I posted contained a combination of red or blue back panels and Current All Star or Connie Mack cards

[packs]

Originally Posted by steve B

There are also some really common packs of 51s that contain singles.

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...pps-red-backs/

They are probably the same cards that are on the panels, but it's possible that one variation was on the panels and the other in the singles packs.

I doubt the authenticity of that pack. For example, the video doesn't show a piece of candy being removed. Every pack I've opened had a piece of candy in it; a shriveled weird looking black/brown sticky thing.

Update: it appears that in the past Topps stated they released a second run of cards sold as individuals and without candy included. Must be why the candy isn't present.

[steve B]

There was a big find of those singlecard packs in the late 70s /early 80's, and at the time they were really inexpensive. I didn't spring for a pack at I think $10 or 15, but did buy a few wrappers for $5 for maybe 3 of them.

They're still pretty cheap compared to other unopened stuff from the 50's.