3 random thoughts on Holsum Bread cards

[Rhotchkiss]

Here is my only one. I am under the belief that this is the only known graded copy and I have been unable to find Cobb in this pose on other cards, regardless of back (although I am sure they exist). So I may be wrong but I believe this is 1920 only.

[rhettyeakley]

Rick, the differences you noted are the characteristics that distinguish the two sets (I think those were outlined in the article I wrote for Old Cardboard several years back). The two sets are completely different sets and should be viewed and checklisted as such.

I have been slowly cataloging the two sets for some time and currently have in my database 76 diff cards known with the Type 1 (or 1920) back and 55 different with the Type 2 (or 1921) back. Don't let this fool you, however, into thinking the Type 1 back is more common as it is not. There have been a few finds of 1920's that featured almost all different players while I have seen as many as 5-10 different of the same player with the Type 2 back.

I have been stockpiling the Holsum cards for many years and know of another collection that also has a fair number of cards. I would have to check but I think I have 85 different cards total between the back types.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Rick, the differences you noted are the characteristics that distinguish the two sets (I think those were outlined in the article I wrote for Old Cardboard several years back). The two sets are completely different sets and should be viewed and checklisted as such.

I have been slowly cataloging the two sets for some time and currently have in my database 76 diff cards known with the Type 1 (or 1920) back and 55 different with the Type 2 (or 1921) back. Don't let this fool you, however, into thinking the Type 1 back is more common as it is not. There have been a few finds of 1920's that featured almost all different players while I have seen as many as 5-10 different of the same player with the Type 2 back.

I have been stockpiling the Holsum cards for many years and know of another collection that also has a fair number of cards. I would have to check but I think I have 85 different cards total between the back types.

Great info and article, Rhett. Everyone should have a run of the OldCardboard Magazines.

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[Rhotchkiss]

Admittedly OT, but not so far off -- a guy had 4 of these today at a small, local card show (Val - a show in Tysons Corner). Anyone seen/know of these? Apparently a handful of SGC-graded ones sold at Heritage a year ago (including a Wajo, again, Val?). Not that I know much at all, but I have never seen these backs.

Also, major concern that they reside in BVG flips? In my experience, vintage cards are in BVG flips bc they could not make it into PSA or SGC flips.

Thoughts?

[nolemmings]

Toughest of the 1917 issues by far. The card is legit.

[Rhotchkiss]

Interesting. A few of them are on eBay, but I can get them off eBay cheaper and directly from the owner. Ultimately, without an HOFer front, they are not my bag. But I am happy to put anyone interested in touch with this guy.

[calvindog]

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Here is my only one. I am under the belief that this is the only known graded copy and I have been unable to find Cobb in this pose on other cards, regardless of back (although I am sure they exist). So I may be wrong but I believe this is 1920 only.

You are correct that is a 1920 Holsum card, he was switched to a throwing pose (the same as the E121 Series of 80) for the 1921 Holsum set.

The same pose on your Cobb was in the 1917 E135 Collins McCarthy/H801 Boston Store set. As are most of the poses in the 1920 Holsum Bread set.

[Rhotchkiss]

Thanks Rhett. I don't know much about these cards but lately have picked up
This Cobb and a few m101-4 Joe Jacksons. I really like the back variations - like t206, which is my favorite. But unlike t206, there doesn't seem to be too much info out there on these 1916-1922 cards (correct range?) other than what I can piece together in population reports. You know a good thread or any good resource?

[Steve L]

Thanks for pointing out the differences. My PSA graded Daubert is a Daubert 1921 Holsum Bread. Does anyone have a Jake Daubert 1920 Holsum Bread? I have problems posting photos from my iPhone and Nikon camera due to size of file (too many bits per photo) or I would post. I don't have a scanner.

[ValKehl]

Ryan, Rhett "wrote the book" on the many 1920-22 issues that closely resemble one another. His comprehensive article, which I refer to frequently, appears in Issue #26 of Old Cardboard Magazine. I believe a copy of this issue can still be purchased for a modest price from OC.
http://www.oldcardboard.com/ref/BBC-...il.asp?id=1269

[Rhotchkiss]

Oh man, thanks Val. Rhett, I am PMing you- would love s copy of that book

[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Oh man, thanks Val. Rhett, I am PMing you- would love s copy of that book

Ryan, sorry if I confused you, but the "book" I was referring to is Rhett's article on the OC Magazine.