Card doctoring...

[irv]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

1. Any foreign substance removed from any card is an improvement and need not be mentioned to a buyer.

I don't consider this restoration, such as removing glue residue on the back, but it should at least be pointed out to the buyer. Most buyers IMO are OK with this.

2. Anything added to (like color) a card is fraudulent. Or building up corners. Horrors!

Agreed. How the hell do they rebuild corners? That is FREAKY!

3. Nobody should trim cards. It's not the same card.

Agreed.

4) If ironing out creases is successful, fine.

Hell no! Sometimes these creases or wrinkles can reappear many months or years down the line (when the card is sitting inside a PSA 8 case!)

I had no idea that was being or could be done either! I am curious how hard it is to see/tell that this has been done to a card?
My gut tells me, after a bit of dirt/staining has been purposely added to hide this restoration, it is ver hard?

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I have no idea about percentage, but with the number of people I know to be card doctors, and the number of years they have been doing it, and some sense of how many cards they work on, it adds up.

Great thread, Peter, but disheartening at the same time.

I appreciate the education lesson, however.

Thanks for starting it.

[drcy]

Built up corners are straightforward to identify.

[swarmee]

Coming from a guy with 30 years experience... right? If the corners are rebuilt with modern paper, those will flouresce under a black light. However, ones built using donor T206 cards would not, based on the article above. Under a high power microscope, it might be easy as well. But to the regular Joe buying cards, it's not really a thought I have when purchasing cards. I just assume it hasn't been done and probably won't look for it.

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Coming from a guy with 30 years experience... right? If the corners are rebuilt with modern paper, those will flouresce under a black light. However, ones built using donor T206 cards would not, based on the article above. Under a high power microscope, it might be easy as well. But to the regular Joe buying cards, it's not really a thought I have when purchasing cards. I just assume it hasn't been done and probably won't look for it.

Not to mention someone that knows what they are doing can recreate stock from 1909...its amazing. How do you think maps/artifacts from 200-500 years ago are restored? This is standard in other collections, juts not ours...scary shit.

[drcy]

Originally Posted by rainier2004

Not to mention someone that knows what they are doing can recreate stock from 1909...its amazing. How do you think maps/artifacts from 200-500 years ago are restored? This is standard in other collections, juts not ours...scary shit.

Such restoration can be identified.

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by drcy

Such restoration can be identified.

No it cant...tell me how? Blacklight, nope. Loupe, nope. Fiber weaves, nope. Printing, yes but a lot of borders don't have printing. Tell me how...same stock as used a hundred years ago. As long as the color is correct you could never tell.

[drcy]

There are numerous ways it is identified. In part because the two parts don't seemly fuse together and, even if original paper stock is used, foreign substances have to be used to affix or integrate it to the card. Cut a single sheet of raw paper or card stock, cut it in half and try and put it back together using any method you can think of.