Time to get rid of meaningless PAT - no time left

[Cliff Bowman]

I would rather the NFL outlaw the opposing team calling a timeout just before an important field goal. I HATE that. Once the field goal unit is in formation and ready for the kick the opposing team should not be able to call timeout. Just my two cents.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

I would rather the NFL outlaw the opposing team calling a timeout just before an important field goal. I HATE that. Once the field goal unit is in formation and ready for the kick the opposing team should not be able to call timeout. Just my two cents.

right but how you combat that is the kicker takes a practice kick. Any kicker will tell you that if they get a practice kick, they will be more accurate in the long run on the kick that counts.

[D. Bergin]

It likely has more to do with Gambling and the ramifications with the Point Spread then anything having to do with the actual game.

I think Points or a point differential, could also be used a some sort of a tiebreaker down the line, but the likelihood of that ever coming into play is almost zero.

I agree, they should just let them walk off the field, if the extra point has nothing to do with the outcome of the game................gamblers be damned.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

It likely has more to do with Gambling and the ramifications with the Point Spread then anything having to do with the actual game.

I think Points or a point differential, could also be used a some sort of a tiebreaker down the line, but the likelihood of that ever coming into play is almost zero.

I agree, they should just let them walk off the field, if the extra point has nothing to do with the outcome of the game................gamblers be damned.

They are also taking a knee on them now anyway. So why take the field. You can hit a 3 run homer down 1 bottom of the 9th and just make it a single in baseball..who would of thought baseball has rules to make the game faster versus football

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

I would rather the NFL outlaw the opposing team calling a timeout just before an important field goal. I HATE that. Once the field goal unit is in formation and ready for the kick the opposing team should not be able to call timeout. Just my two cents.

Yea, that and the rule where you lose control of the ball while crossing the goal line and fumble OB for a touch back need to change. Give the ball back to the offense at the 1, or even the 5, instead of rewarding the defense for a fumble they didn't recover.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Yea, that and the rule where you lose control of the ball while crossing the goal line and fumble OB for a touch back need to change. Give the ball back to the offense at the 1, or even the 5, instead of rewarding the defense for a fumble they didn't recover.

well its about punishing the offense more than rewarding the defense. There would be counter arguments there that i think would be stronger that counters to my fact pattern.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

well its about punishing the offense more than rewarding the defense. There would be counter arguments there that i think would be stronger that counters to my fact pattern.

I believe the rule was written to prevent players from intentionally trying to fumble the ball forwards into the end zone. But as often as the rule has come up this year I think it will be revisited in off season meetings and hopefully changed.

As for the extra point at the end of the game the solution is easy. Give the team the option to decline the try.

[ibuysportsephemera]

I know that if it is blocked and returned it only counts for 2 points. What happens if the exchange is not clean or the center snaps it over the holders head and it is returned the other way....is that still only 2 points?

Jeff

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by ibuysportsephemera

I know that if it is blocked and returned it only counts for 2 points. What happens if the exchange is not clean or the center snaps it over the holders head and it is returned the other way....is that still only 2 points?

Jeff

correct..thats why in my fact pattern i said if its more than a 2 more point lead..

[profholt82]

The Las Vegas Industrial Complex would never allow the NFL to ban the meaningless PAT because that meaningless PAT often has great meaning to sports books.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I believe the rule was written to prevent players from intentionally trying to fumble the ball forwards into the end zone. But as often as the rule has come up this year I think it will be revisited in off season meetings and hopefully changed.

As for the extra point at the end of the game the solution is easy. Give the team the option to decline the try.

They dont get credit for the additional yards (or stoppage of time) on a fumble forward and/or out of bounds anymore during certain point of the game and there is time runoff as well i believe.

[Peter_Spaeth]

The PAT should be retired. 2 point conversion only. If the complaint is that that takes a strategic choice out of the game, then have a 3 point option for something likely to succeed only say 1 in 10 times -- a 60 yard field goal, or a play from scrimmage from the 30, or whatever the statisticians calculate.

As far as kickoffs, I agree the sailing into the endzone is a total bore. What if the kicking team had to punt instead? Not many guys going to punt it into the end zone from 65 yards out.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The PAT should be retired.

I used to think the same thing. But now they've moved it back, it does make it more interesting. It's not so automatic anymore and you see a lot more missed PATs now than you did a couple years ago before they moved it back.