John Buccigross texts -

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

Most companies have internal rules against senior employees engaging in personal relationships with colleagues. Or if a senior employee is in a relationship with a colleague, it would need to be reported. These rules are in place because people in less senior positions could be left to feel like if they don't play along, there will be consequences.

Not to mention Buccigross is married.

Being married/bad marriage/Separated etc doesnt matter. As chris rock said, you are as faithful as your opportunities. There are many solid relationships that dont end in marriage as well. It shouldnt be either you get married or its harrassment.

Well, i dont know if you need to report about having one dinner with someone that never occurred. (as far as we know) How do you define relationship. Plus dont even know if he had to report anything. As you know many doctors have married nurses, many professors have married students, many senior employees have married junior employees etc.. He appeared not to be close as being a direct supervisor, he didnt know her work schedule etc.

I am just going by what the texts that i read.

Most companies do allow for employees do date each other.


I dont see her telling him she has a boyfriend....heck in college i used to ask a girl where the bathroom is at a party and her response was 'i have a boyfriend'

[packs]

Allow yes, but if you're someone's supervisor or in a senior position over someone else, most companies require that relationship be reported. The reason is that an underling may not feel like there's a choice.

ESPN released the text messages it wanted people to read and withheld texts they didn't want people to read. The point is that this guy is one of the senior most employees at ESPN and he's texting a woman building her career who may not feel like she has a choice but to entertain his texts or else lose her budding career. That's why his texts are problematic. You also can't walk around calling a woman at work doll face or long legs, whether you think she wants that kind of attention or not it's unprofessional.

[KMayUSA6060]

This sexual harassment and #MeToo crap is dangerous and has gotten way out of hand.

For the record, my fiancee and I met when she was my boss. As long as it's kept professional at work, they didn't care.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

This sexual harassment and #MeToo crap is dangerous and has gotten way out of hand.

For the record, my fiancee and I met when she was my boss. As long as it's kept professional at work, they didn't care.

Nevermind.............

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

This sexual harassment and #MeToo crap is dangerous and has gotten way out of hand.

For the record, my fiancee and I met when she was my boss. As long as it's kept professional at work, they didn't care.

I think we can all agree that flirting with someone,while inappropriate in some situations, is not that big a deal in others. There is a lot of distance between flirting with someone and repeatedly demanding sex as a way of getting ahead professionally, pushing someone against a wall, locking them in an office, or worse.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

I think we can all agree that flirting with someone,while inappropriate in some situations, is not that big a deal in others. There is a lot of distance between flirting with someone and repeatedly demanding sex as a way of getting ahead professionally, pushing someone against a wall, locking them in an office, or worse.

I also do think along with the power dynamic you need to see who the alleged victim is

I think most of you thought lawrence was a 22 year old out of college lady getting a foothold in the business.

instead she is a big time attorney and professor and oversaw 45 attorneys who each of those lawyers had to making over 6 figures.....she likely has over millions in earnings in her career..... the law firms she worked for (in a management role )are the top earners in the country

i think the wolf and the lamb are a bit reversed here......she didnt mind the attention and was not naive.....im sure any of her male colleagues were not inviting Bucci for carrot cake and arranging late night dinners..

[HRBAKER]

How many married men text shirtless pictures of themselves to other women. Must be a fairly common occurrence and I am way behind the times again. Criminal, probably not, stupid and ill-advised in this situation - yes.

[packs]

That's the thing, this is an issue of professionalism. These texts from him are clearly not professional and nothing would convince me they were. Cake and dinners are not invitations for sex and that's exactly the kind of thinking that people are trying to end. Just because a woman is nice to you or would like to have a professional relationship with you, that's not an invitation for constant flirting or unsolicited photos of your body.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

Allow yes, but if you're someone's supervisor or in a senior position over someone else, most companies require that relationship be reported. The reason is that an underling may not feel like there's a choice.

ESPN released the text messages it wanted people to read and withheld texts they didn't want people to read. The point is that this guy is one of the senior most employees at ESPN and he's texting a woman building her career who may not feel like she has a choice but to entertain his texts or else lose her budding career. That's why his texts are problematic. You also can't walk around calling a woman at work doll face or long legs, whether you think she wants that kind of attention or not it's unprofessional.

Well this is a woman trying to make dinner plans...i dont see many guys trying to make dinner plans with guys in senior positions from the get go. Usually theres a lot of time involved to get to that level of friends. It would seem she is doing a short cut to get to the dinner plan parts. Before you consider asking someone for coffee on a first date you need to report to HR? Many junior position people marry senior position people or have a good mutual consensual time together. I would think if you are not kissing, what is there to report to HR..

if she was trying to meet him a midnight in his hotel room to discuss her career? What is the line...making 8 pm dinner plans with someone you do not know that well seems beyond the line..

I can only go by the the texts i have seen. I hope you are not going by texts you have not seen. Going by the texts is all i am saying is what i am commenting on

[packs]

I don't know what texts you're referring to. The ones I read were a married guy trying to convince her to go on a road trip with him, full of unsolicited or requited pet names, and sexual innuendo (stamina! see another blue eyed hunk? beauty, doll face, #dreamgirl, doll, heart eyes emoji's after photos of her, a number of photos with his shirt off, etc.). None of that is appropriate if you ask me. He was her superior at work.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't know what texts you're referring to. The ones I read were a married guy trying to convince her to go on a road trip with him, full of unsolicited or requited pet names, and sexual innuendo (stamina! see another blue eyed hunk? beauty, doll face, #dreamgirl, doll, heart eyes emoji's after photos of her, a number of photos with his shirt off, etc.). None of that is appropriate if you ask me. He was her superior at work.

It appears you are picking and choosing texts which you accuse ESPN doing....her texts back do not hint about her having a boyfriend..pointing out that he has a wife. She is scheduling dinner with him. It is a least possible she may of been interested in him. People do get divorced and get a new spouse from someone they met at work. Meeting someone for dinner who you barely know seems odd unless there was a mutual interest. People can always meet for work but know it the back of their minds theres a chance for something else. Much less the case if meeting for lunch where after lunch you go back to work. After dinner thats not the case relatively speaking.

Plus he mentioned long leggs when she said she would have to re-adjust his seat if she sat in it.

When you are high enough, its not like there are many people to choose from to date at your level and higher (at the job) versus people below you (and also much likely younger and single)

here is a bunch of the texts...its easy to be cordial..but she keeps asking for additional stuff...shes not 14 years old. If she sees all of this innuendo and keeps meeting with him for mentoring..shes getting an unfair advantage over her male colleagues using his attention on her to help her.....but if it doesnt work out shes a victim

http://thebiglead.com/2017/12/15/esp...hn-buccigross/

[packs]

What about her texts suggests mutual attraction to you though? To me it's entirely one sided. She starts a mundane conversation and he tries to steer it in a different direction. The only time a photo of her appears, it's a photo sent by him. He appears shirtless in multiple pics that were totally unsolicited. She never said she had a relationship with this man, so I don't know what you mean when you talk about dating at work.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

What about her texts suggests mutual attraction to you though? To me it's entirely one sided. She starts a mundane conversation and he tries to steer it in a different direction. The only time a photo of her appears, it's a photo sent by him. He appears shirtless in multiple pics that were totally unsolicited. She never said she had a relationship with this man, so I don't know what you mean when you talk about dating at work.

well she admits to having dinner with him and also invites him over for carrot cake.

plus if you say 'i love pearl jam' in response to someone saying they have tickets to them for example and has taken you to dinner before then its very likely he will say 'do you want to go to a concert?' Thats not totally unsolicited if he asks her that for example.

If she is a guy she doesnt get this type of attention obviously. There are a lot of female mentors out there as well they wont ask you to dinner but they will give you attention based on your talent and potential. There are guys that will do that as well but probably not from someone that is fine taking you out to dinner right in the beginning.

Can always say 'i not interested in a relationship but interested in mentoring etc' Maybe you just get ignored after that and maybe thats why she does not say that\\

she is married by the way.(at least thats what i saw on the 'net) It doesnt appear that buccigross knows anything about her schedule or what kind of assignments she was given, yet she would like to meet up with him for dinner. What her husband think about this...


Also shes is not a lamb in the woods..she is a big time attorney...supervised 45 lawyers at a big big time law firms..and fought sex harassment cases.....so she knows the system...i dont see her saying anything in the texts about creating some boundaries to avoid misunderstandings

"Lawrence was able to use her legal expertise in her work as an analyst at ESPN. She wrote a response on espnW to the attorney for Yale basketball player Jack Montague, who was expelled because of a sexual misconduct accusation. She also provided analysis on the Derrick Rose and Ryan Lochte cases."