Need Information on a 1952 Topps Frank House "Yellow' Tigers Logo Variation Card

[ALR-bishop]

Patrick -- into which category foo you put the 52 Mantle, Thompson and Robison cards ? Into which category would you put the 62 green tint no pose difference cards ?

I tend to view variations, as opposed to recurring print defects , as differences in cards specifically intended by the manufacturer OR differences not specifically intended but specifically resulting from intentional decisions in the printing process itself, such as DPs.

I realize there is no hobby wide accepted definition, but I like your 3 categories

[Rich Klein]

I will tell you way back in the day when I was still at Beckett I remember discussing the 1952 Mantle variations with Andy Broome. BGS had just received both versions and I think there was no issue they were two distinct variations.

I remember when we were discussing the 52 Mantles the nomenclature Ralph Nozaki (Rick O'Dell if you are a Chicago Radio fan) used was the best way to describe the 2 variations.

Having seen both versions of the card in person at the great Roger Neufeldt's table this weekend and the customer reactions -- I have no problem calling those Frank House card variations

Rich

[ALR-bishop]

There is no doubt the two Mantles are different but I doubt the differences were intentional. Still the decision to DP those cards was intentional and resulted in the differences. That differs from recurring print defects. However in some cases I think it impossible to tell if a print defect in an early run was discovered and intentionally corrected. It is a conundrum, but fun and interesting to me

I do kind of like Patrick's 3 categories

[Rich Klein]

I think and who knows if my theorem is any better than yours that there was nothing deliberate about Mantle being a DP.

What I think is Topps intended the last series to be 100 cards. Look, every other series had a print run of 80, 50, 60, 60 and 60. 100 cards was a full sheet and would have fit in with what Topps was doing in 1952.

I would wager they ran into contractual issues with 3 people intended to be in the 52 set and thus just printed more of the 1st three cards. Of course, since the first 3 were all big name players, that could be the other option of let's get more of those into the young collector's hands.

Rich

[ALR-bishop]

I think we do not disagree Rich. I think your theory may be right. To me it does not matter how it came to be a DP, only that the printer ultimately made a decision ( intended) that the affected card would be a DP and that the 2nd version differs in some way from the first, intended to not.

I adopted that view, for myself, after reading George Vrechek's article in SCD on the 13 or so 1963 Topps DPs with various differences, and the fact at least 2 versions can be found of all the checklists in the 60s and early 70s set.