What You Don’t Know About The Hobby Could Fill This Thread

[Leon]

It has to be one of the OBC guys who invented the term Beater.

Who was the first collector to complete T206 (with Doyle and Magie but no other errors)?

[ramram]

Why is the quality of the cardboard more important than the quality of the image on a vintage card? Probably more of a rhetorical question as I am guessing it's because cardboard damage can be quantified while image quality is more subjective.

Rob M

[ALR-bishop]

How do you know the definitive checklist of a "master" set ?

How do you know if a card has a "real" variation ?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

How do you know the definitive checklist of a "master" set ?

How do you know if a card has a "real" variation ?

Al, I don't think either of those questions can be answered correctly.

I am pretty sure I could easily fill a thread with my hobby knowledge. Also pretty sure a few forums could be filled with what I don't know about the hobby.

[quinnsryche]

At what point did the advertising on the back of a card become more desirable than the photo on the front?

[Exhibitman]

Picture Packs. Who made the ones that weren't team issues? How were they sold?

[chalupacollects]

Serious question - Why do so many collectors/dealers not like the PSA SMR price guide and for that matter Becketts guides?

[Jcfowler6]

Originally Posted by ramram

Why is the quality of the cardboard more important than the quality of the image on a vintage card? Probably more of a rhetorical question as I am guessing it's because cardboard damage can be quantified while image quality is more subjective.



Rob M

I was seriously talking to some about this exact thing just days ago. I said I collect moments in time and condition isn’t all that important. What do you collect? The history and art of it or paper?


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[obcmac]

Originally Posted by Leon

It has to be one of the OBC guys who invented the term Beater.

We actually call them Tiptons or Tipton Mint...after founding member and net54'er Larry Tipton (aka Guru). So I don't think we get credit for "beater".

[trdcrdkid]

I'm not positive, but I think we called cards "beaters" when I was a kid, 35-40 years ago. I don't remember ever not being aware of the term.

[CollectingAmericasPastime]

Why haven't there been adjustments in the variety of supplies as collecting has changed? i.e. More commonly available graded card pages, especially for SGC slabs, or pages that allow for tobacco-sized toploaders.

[sycks22]

Do you cringe when people would rather have an Aaron Judge blue refractor numbered out of 50 than a '52 Topps Mantle?

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by sycks22

Do you cringe when people would rather have an Aaron Judge blue refractor numbered out of 50 than a '52 Topps Mantle?

No.

I respect that some divisions of the hobby collect modern cards, having an emotional connection to those players, while others collect vintage and established players having an emotional connection to those players.

Cringing at one party or the other seems rather judgmental to me.

You're both card collectors, how about if someone cringes because you are a card collector of any type? That wouldn't make you feel too good, would it?

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

How about if someone cringes because you are a card collector of any type? That wouldn't make you feel too good, would it?

That happens to me all over the place, of course, from non-collectors.

When I happen to sell something at an auction that gets a few bucks, and I forward some buddies a link, it seems to get their attention. Of course, everyone can relate to the dollars, so it is an equalizing factor that non collectors can relate to.

The funniest looks were about a year ago. I had a card in a well known auction, and I had a buddy on my hockey team put his 1969 Camaro into Barrett-Jackson. I mentioned the competition between what would bring home a higher dollar, the Camaro or the Dimaggio.

In the end, the Camaro won, but not by much. It made some buddies think twice about my silly hobby.

[Jcfowler6]

Originally Posted by sycks22

Do you cringe when people would rather have an Aaron Judge blue refractor numbered out of 50 than a '52 Topps Mantle?

Yes! And even worse with these new electronic cards. They are dropping big money on them. It’s crazy.


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[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Why do people buy cards for $59 and $87 on ebay then price them on the BST less than a week later for $1250 and $1800 respectively? I'm as much a capitalist as anyone else but wow!

[conor912]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

or pages that allow for tobacco-sized toploaders.

These fit them perfectly. You're welcome ☺️
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00IP...bPL&ref=plSrch

[jerrys]

How can we improve the condition evaluation given on graded cards? A costly problem.

Quality is what determines the value of a baseball card. Yet we often see graded cards poorly graded. Over the past ten years for the rare coin hobby this situation has been corrected by the Certified Acceptance Corporation who will verify graded coins to meet their own strict quality standards. Only if the coin is solid for the grade will it receives a CAC sticker affixed to the slab. Solid meaning for that grade or higher-end - lower-end although still in grade are rejected. In the marketplace CAC coins sell for significantly higher prices than the same grade without CAC.
Perhaps some enterprising individual or group will follow a like business for this hobby.

[JLange]

Why is there so little information about the origin and distribution and reasons for producing so many sets? We are talking about events that occurred within the last 150 years or less, not thousands of years ago before writing. Is it just that the early collectors focused more on checklisting a set, and less about these other details? Or were most sets so poorly marketed and with so little contemporary awareness that they couldn’t figure it out?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by jerrys

How can we improve the condition evaluation given on graded cards? A costly problem.

Quality is what determines the value of a baseball card. Yet we often see graded cards poorly graded. Over the past ten years for the rare coin hobby this situation has been corrected by the Certified Acceptance Corporation who will verify graded coins to meet their own strict quality standards. Only if the coin is solid for the grade will it receives a CAC sticker affixed to the slab. Solid meaning for that grade or higher-end - lower-end although still in grade are rejected. In the marketplace CAC coins sell for significantly higher prices than the same grade without CAC.
Perhaps some enterprising individual or group will follow a like business for this hobby.

So you want to pay for grading of already graded cards? Where does it end?

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by jerrys

how can we improve the condition evaluation given on graded cards? A costly problem.

Quality is what determines the value of a baseball card. Yet we often see graded cards poorly graded. Over the past ten years for the rare coin hobby this situation has been corrected by the certified acceptance corporation who will verify graded coins to meet their own strict quality standards. Only if the coin is solid for the grade will it receives a cac sticker affixed to the slab. Solid meaning for that grade or higher-end - lower-end although still in grade are rejected. In the marketplace cac coins sell for significantly higher prices than the same grade without cac.
Perhaps some enterprising individual or group will follow a like business for this hobby.

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[steve B]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

Why haven't there been adjustments in the variety of supplies as collecting has changed? i.e. More commonly available graded card pages, especially for SGC slabs, or pages that allow for tobacco-sized toploaders.

The available supplies change, it just changes slowly. Lack of demand probably limits the pages for slabbed cards and pages for tobacco size toploaders. That some of the current stuff will work for most people also makes it a tough call to manufacture something new. Tobacco toploaders will fit in current 9 pocket pages, so making a special page might not be profitable.
They might get some traction if the A+G and Gypsy Queen minis get hot, but that's a few years away.

In the old days there were lots of choices for pages, many of them long gone. Sideloading 8 pockets? sideloading 9 pockets, 15 pocket, 12 pocket sized for 48-50 Bowmans....I haven't seen any of those in a few years, for the better in some instances.

[steve B]

And for my "I don't know"

I don't know why so many modern ish sets with limited availability get so little attention. I sort of get the "less common than the usual cards" sets being ignored, but the others?

[Jobu]

Now this is awesome!

Originally Posted by obcmac

We actually call them Tiptons or Tipton Mint...after founding member and net54'er Larry Tipton (aka Guru). So I don't think we get credit for "beater".

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Leon

Who was the first collector to complete T206 (with Doyle and Magie but no other errors)?

It must be Larry Fritsh. He discovered the first Doyle variation, and he owned a Wagner and Plank.

[slipk1068]

Has anyone ever completed T210? How far has anyone ever gotten with N172 Old Judge?

[Tom Hufford]

Originally Posted by slipk1068

Has anyone ever completed T210? How far has anyone ever gotten with N172 Old Judge?

Bill Haber had a complete set of T210s. If Paul Pollard didn't have a complete set, he was mighty close.

[JollyElm]

Why is a card that is only 'worth' $10 suddenly worth hundreds of dollars more when it is placed inside a plastic tomb with a high number by a third party grader??

[Jantz]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Why is a card that is only 'worth' $10 suddenly worth hundreds of dollars more when it is placed inside a plastic tomb with a high number by a third party grader??

Because someone is willing to pay hundreds of dollars for a card worth $10 in a plastic tomb.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Jantz

Because someone. ELSE is willing to pay hundreds of dollars for a card worth $10 in a plastic tomb.

Edited!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Jantz

Because someone is willing to pay hundreds of dollars for a card worth $10 in a plastic tomb.

Yeah, but why? Why does that case become more valuable than the card?

[HasselhoffsCheeseburger]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Why is a card that is only 'worth' $10 suddenly worth hundreds of dollars more when it is placed inside a plastic tomb with a high number by a third party grader??

At the root of it? Dickholes lie.

Arthur

[Piratedogcardshows]

Originally Posted by slipk1068

Has anyone ever completed T210? How far has anyone ever gotten with N172 Old Judge?

I have never seen any proof or statements from fellow collectors of a complete T210 set. There is a gentleman on the SGC registry that has a "retired" near complete set. Perhaps he had the missing cards not listed in raw form?

[ALR-bishop]

Competition

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by Jason

I have never seen any proof or statements from fellow collectors of a complete T210 set. There is a gentleman on the SGC registry that has a "retired" near complete set. Perhaps he had the missing cards not listed in raw form?

Bill Haber definitely completed the set and, AFAIK, it is still together in a very advanced collection.

[Aaron Seefeldt]

Why are so many trimmed/altered cards being graded with high grades?

[Vintagecatcher]

Ralph from NH, who I met once told me he had but sold his complete T210 set.

Patrick

[Piratedogcardshows]

Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities

Bill Haber definitely completed the set and, AFAIK, it is still together in a very advanced collection.

Thank you for sharing that information. It would be cool to see that set scanned and displayed one day maybe.

[oldjudge]

Originally Posted by Jason

I have never seen any proof or statements from fellow collectors of a complete T210 set. There is a gentleman on the SGC registry that has a "retired" near complete set. Perhaps he had the missing cards not listed in raw form?

I know of three sets completed in the last five years as well as two sets just a few cards short (not counting the guy from New Hampshire). Hard, but not impossible to complete.